Help me set up my flinter's possibles bag please

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OK, so I've gotten my first few period clothing items for my black powder events. So I guess the cordura messenger bag for holding my "stuff" has to go.... :D

I've been looking at a lot of the bags the other shooters are using and here's what I've come up with so far.

Powder horn will have it's own strap so it doesn't need to go in the bag.

BUT, for the days that I shoot a cap&ball revolver I need room for a flask.

So, here's what I have so far;

  • On the shoulder strap I will have sheaths for the ball starter, powder measure and a small patch knife.
  • The round balls will be kept in the bag in a leather flask that I'm going to make up.
  • Spare flints along with a small knapping hammer will be in a flint wallet in the bag.
  • The flint knapping hammer will also be the screw driver for the flint clamping screw.
  • patches will be in a shallow side pocket of the supplies bag that is easy to reach into.
  • Because I use Ballistol and water as my patch lube there will be a small period correct tin oil can that holds the "moose milk" in another small side pouch inside the bag. Or possibly this may also end up on the shoulder strap in a little sheath since it's small and used for every loading.
  • Probably loose in the bottom or possibly in a pocket in the flint wallet will be the ball screw and a tow screw. Or if the flint wallet gets too big I may go for a separate tool pouch and keep the flints on their own. In fact that IS the way to go so if I don't need flints I don't need to carry them.
  • The pan primer will also be carried in yet another side pocket inside the bag so it's easy to use.

Can you guys see anything obvious or even not so obvious or even something you think I should try?

The touch hole pick wire is already on my gun at the end of a leather lace attached to the trigger guard.

Along with all this I'll be carrying the usual and typical full size knife on the main belt.

Looking on You Tube for how to set up this stuff I saw some videos by a fellow that calls himself tetontodd. He made good points about keeping the bag up high enough that it's not dangling too low and where the arm can trap it as I bend over. But not so high as to make it hard to get into it.

I've only got enough leather of the type I want to use to make ONE bag. So I'm going to start with a fabric prototype to iron out the handling issues. I've got some really heavy old cotton "duck" canvas which I'll use. And really that means that it would not be far from period correct anyway. But I want to do it in leather for the final version since it's so often so wet around these parts. But the canvas version will be an excellent prototype.

One really slick feature I saw on one fellows shoulder strap mounted goodies was that he used leather laces to tie the stuff to the strap. The laces were a snug pull fit through holes in the strap. In use the laces were pulled through and hung loose. But when he was done he just reached in behind and drew them tight to secure the ball starter, primer flask and whatever else he had on the strap in place. This all seemed to work most well.

Oh, one last thing. All the folks are saying that I'll eventually break my wood ramrod. And I'd like to get one with a nice rounded "T" handle on it anyway. So I'm going to have a new ramrod in a sheath that I wear on my main belt. I like the idea of a proper sheath instead of just a belt loop so I can keep it from dragging in and picking up dirt.

So how does all this sound?
 
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Sounds pretty well tbought out to me. Did you mention your priming horn? Fire starting kit? You'll need that to compete in mtn man events. Compass for hunting.
Some guys stitch a hawk sheath to the back of their possibles bag. Not a bad idea.
 
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I can't seem to find a good combo of the powder horn for the main charge and a smaller horn for the priming powder IF you choose to go that way. I know someone builds one that is real slick to carry. I'll keep lookin. :)

I know some guys use the same powder for their main charge and their primer, I don't, as I think 4Fg or finer is too good a priming powder.
 
I had not thought ahead to the fire starting kit but that would be yet another separate tin or pouch that would sit loose in the main compartment of the bag. I don't see it as something I'd have to carry on our casual club monthly shoots.

I'd forgotten about the 'hawk since the only one I've got at present is the one I throw for the 'hawk and knife event. But we only hand carry those around for that part of the day.

I'll pass on putting the hawk sheath on the back side of the bag since that will be rubbing into my side all the time and dragging on my shoulder. I figure that the bag and gear will be heavy enough by itself. And I would just not want the lumpiness of it on the side of the bag towards me. I'd rather put it to my rear or quarter rear off the belt. But thanks for at least offering the suggestion.

What I'll do for the costume is put a holder on my main belt and carry a nice one that NEVER gets thrown. And on those days when we shoot and throw from our walking kit I'll just carry my throwing 'hawk and knife in those same sheaths instead of the nicely made decorative ones.

I was going to use the commercial brass primer flask. But you're right, I should be going with a smaller horn or hollowed antler. I'll be sure to leave the spot large enough for that. Or I'll make the spot for it lace adjustable to accommodate options.

Crawdad, thanks to the link for that blog. Lots of fantastic workmanship in many areas to oogle and admire. Wandering through it all will take care of a couple of well spent hours of my remaining lifespan.... :D
 
I guess I got lucky as I found a hundred plus year old salt bag in a trunk and it is the perfect size.
 
I hung my powder horn on two leather thongs from the shoulder strap above the possible bag.

Also used a brass adjustable primer powder meaure and flint primer hole pick on a leather thong attached to the bag. That way I could just drop them when finished using them during loading process and they weren't hard to find for the next load.

Remember when you get/attach your powder horn, that there are left and right horns. Make sure you have the one that works for you. Point to the front and towards your body.
 
Excellent info Iggy. The thoughts on the lanyards to secure all items is one I'm already onto.

I was planning on the horn being on it's own shoulder strap for balancing issues. You don't mention if you have other items on the front strap of the bag or not. But if you do then do you not find that the weight of the horn hanging from the forward strap tends to pull the strap down and swing the bag to the rear? If it's not an issue I do like the idea of it all on the one strap so that I can sling or lose the whole kit in one go.

The adjustable brass measure is what I use at present. I was just thinking that a few specific hollowed antler measures would look a little more "mountain man'ish"... :D
 
Found I could not carry all needed in just my shooting bag. So I carry shooting bag and horn on my left side and a generous possibles haversack (both are made of heavy flax) for trail food and gear on my right side. So I am good to go for several days .

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Thanks for the info and pictures there Palehorseman. You've worked out a great looking and obviously well working setup.

Somewhere along the way I'll have to work out the rest of the stuff. But for now I only need a shooting bag to make it through a typical half day of shooting. I'm not up for multi day hunting at this point.

You have given me a good idea now though. I'm going to check out the availability of heavy linen, which I just learned is made from flax thanks to your post.

It seems like both cotton and heavy linen were common enough back in the 16th century and on from there that I could make my first trial shooter's bag from either. And I'll see which appears to be a better option for a larger haversack to go with it.

This whole thing is just as bad as the costuming for cowboy action shooting. I recall the grin I got when I scored an ebay deal on 3 sets of proper button suspenders. I was as happy as finding a good deal on an actual firearm...... and I can recall that it seemed a little warped at the time.... :D And now here I am making up bags and looking for this heavy linen that I can use for making up some breeches or flap front pants and possibly leggings.

Yeah, I know about the wool. But wool and I don't get along well unless I've got a good layer of separation.
 
The best buy I found on heavy linen for leggings etc. was a 4'x6' welder's drop cloth (used to protect surrounding area from sparks when doing in situ welding) linen as it is fire resistant. Harbor Freight used to sell them real cheap, but now see no longer available as they have changed to fiberglass or cotton canvas. Glad I bought several of them years ago. Flax and Linen is tough, extremely wear and rot resistant.
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For the heavy flax/jute I have found the old radiator desert water bags to be a good source. This is the type of water bag that allows water to seep through to surface, the evaporation cools the water. Used to be common to see them on vehicle bumpers for travelers in the southwest. Today they are collector items and expensive as all get out. although I have found them at yard sales cheap.

Here is source for much cheaper new small bags.

http://www.goldfeverprospecting.com/destwabag.html

http://wildcanvas-outdoor.com/flax-canvas-water-bag/

Old military Lyster/Lister bags are good too, see they have newer milsurp ones for sale.

http://www.armynavysales.com/products/u.s.-canvas-36-gallon-water-lyster-bag

https://www.google.com/#q=military+Lyster/Lister+water+bag
 
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