Help with cleaning jag and wet powder!

[Acorn Mush]

Every CVA rifle I have ever seen has had a sub-caliber, chambered breech. It is possible your zeal in swabbing your barrel allowed moisture to collect in said breech to the point where a fresh powder charge was dampened and therefore unable to ignite. This due to your dry patch not being able to sufficiently dry the chambered breech.

Don't let this episode defeat you. Follow the suggestions already offered and you will be enjoying making smoke with your rifles in no time.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Thanks Acorn Mush. I was unaware of that. So does the Browning Mountain Gun (muzzle loading). Look up W. W. Greener's The Gun and Its Development, page 118 for an illustration.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Every CVA rifle I have ever seen has had a sub-caliber, chambered breech. It is possible your zeal in swabbing your barrel allowed moisture to collect in said breech to the point where a fresh powder charge was dampened and therefore unable to ignite. This due to your dry patch not being able to sufficiently dry the chambered breech.

Don't let this episode defeat you. Follow the suggestions already offered and you will be enjoying making smoke with your rifles in no time.

Hey! That's what I said!

 

[MEHavey]

See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/pedersoli-misfires.745854/post-9379521
(patent breech)

 

[hawg]

Got a coffee can?

I think so. Probably still 3/4 full of three year old coffee.

But can a cave-man do it? That's my qualification.

I don't see why not. Just don't overdo it. Three or four strokes is plenty, any more and you're just playing with it.

 

[Darth-Vang]

Why would you do that? (no offense)

First time shooting muzzleloaders and I was trying to swab the barrel before taking the next shot.

 

[Darth-Vang]

See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/pedersoli-misfires.745854/post-9379521
(patent breech)

That’s interesting to know! A .30 cal slotted jag to get in there and clean and dry that part of the rifle? I’ll have to try. And I got a bore cam and I’ll try to look into the barrel. Thanks man this is good to know.

 

[Darth-Vang]

Update, got the ball and rod out of the Varmint, but the Squirrel rifle with the dry patch and button jag is stuck in there realll goodd, clamp it to the vise bench and pulled on it as hard as I can so much that the bench itself was shaking from me pulling. Any ideas on how to get the dry patch with a jag out from the barrel?

 

[Darth-Vang]

https://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64180&d=1288582389 Very interesting

 

[MEHavey]

Slotted cleaning jag for patent breech cleanout.
Patch goes through, then fold down/over to cover the tip.
Set of Four Tipton Jags -- one of them will get into any pat breech recess to totally handle any fouling/residual. . . "crud"

Ten bucks for all.... cheap

 

[MEHavey]

...Squirrel rifle dry patch and button jag is stuck in there realll good...

Consider it a dry ball problem.
People are going to hate me, but -- were it mine* -- I'd remove nipple, feed 4F (maybe 5-6gr) in through the flash hole, replace nipple, ensure powder is at rear of barrel, ...and fire it downrange
(It'll go maybe 10-15 yards)

*Lawyerspeak: YMMV, so take care

 

[Darth-Vang]

Consider it a dry ball problem.
People are going to hate me, but -- were it mine* -- I'd remove nipple, feed 4F (maybe 5-6gr) in through the flash hole, replace nipple, ensure powder is at rear of barrel, ...and fire it downrange
(It'll go maybe 10-15 yards)

*Lawyerspeak: YMMV, so take care

It's not stuck close to the breech but closer to the muzzle end, do I just hammer it down towards the breech and then fire it?

 

[MEHavey]

(again ... were it mine)
I'd not hammer it any tighter into the bore, but just make sure the powder was back against the rear when ignited.

FWIW: I've personally fired a 50cal wherein (dumb!grasshoppa) the ball had only been short-started in error.
Others weigh in, but (were it mine), 5-6 grain of BP would in a barrel as thick as on a 32 wouldn't keep keep me up at night.

(See op sit Lawyerspeak of course)

 

[4v50 Gary]

Get a big buddy to hold the bench.

There was a barrel on an AR I couldn't remove even with a cheater bar. I asked a taller classmate and when he couldn't do it, he got a big student to help him. Lesson is to get someone to hold the bench. I'd also squirt some oil down the bore.

 

[hawg]

That little bit of powder isn't going to hurt anything.

 

[Acorn Mush]

Hey! That's what I said!

Depending on the type of breech, or breech plug, a dry patch on the jag will not reach the "pool" or wet area.

I guess that is what you meant when you said "'pool' or wet area". My mistake. I was just trying to make things a bit clearer. Wouldn't want to "muddy the waters", to use a bad pun.

Maybe I better go tell my wife she needs me for something before I get into more trouble.

 

[Acorn Mush]

Thanks Acorn Mush. I was unaware of that. So does the Browning Mountain Gun (muzzle loading). Look up W. W. Greener's The Gun and Its Development, page 118 for an illustration.

Yup. So do Lyman Great Plains rifles and I am sure others as well.

 

[Darth-Vang]

Get a big buddy to hold the bench.

There was a barrel on an AR I couldn't remove even with a cheater bar. I asked a taller classmate and when he couldn't do it, he got a big student to help him. Lesson is to get someone to hold the bench. I'd also squirt some oil down the bore.

I’ll give that a shot than Mehavey’s method as a last resort if it comes down to it, will soak the barrel with some peanut oil and let it sit for a day or two and try to pull it out.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

I guess that is what you meant when you said "'pool' or wet area". My mistake. I was just trying to make things a bit clearer. Wouldn't want to "muddy the waters", to use a bad pun.

Maybe I better go tell my wife she needs me for something before I get into more trouble.

No troubles! No worries! You did 'splain it better. !!!

 

[woodnbow]

Get a big buddy to hold the bench.

There was a barrel on an AR I couldn't remove even with a cheater bar. I asked a taller classmate and when he couldn't do it, he got a big student to help him. Lesson is to get someone to hold the bench. I'd also squirt some oil down the bore.

One of the funniest lines ever… from a book on tillering Osage bows. “Find a vise of some sort, or a large, dull witted accomplice, to hold the stave as you’re working it.” Jim Hamm

Maybe it’s just me…

 

[4v50 Gary]

Hacker Martin told Wallace Gusler told, "All you need are two big dumb guys to make a barrel."

Update Darth-Vang? We are living vicariously through you and your success is OUR success.

 

[.38 Special]

Update Darth-Vang? We are living vicariously through you and your success is OUR success.

If he screws it up, though, we've never heard of him.

 

[4v50 Gary]

When I drilled the duffel cut stock for a fluted dowel, I silently said a prayer, "Lord, guide my drill and please don't let me mess up in the presence of students."

 

[kelljp]

Buy a range rod and the correct assortment of jags from Track of the wolf or Gun Emporium.
Clean the gun after your done at the range. Balistol is a good field cleaner, but hot soapy water is when you get home run a lightly oiled patch followed by a dry patch before storing you rifle.

 

[woodnbow]

I haven’t used hot water in a long time. Sometimes I use tap water, or window cleaner, or Hoppes, Ballistol (although I hate that smell!) whatever comes readily to hand. I always use either FrogLube or Eezox after it’s clean though. No residue, no oils, they dry to a film and protect the metal very well.