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been searching for my girlfriends first handgun and she has come accross a GLOCK 22 3rd gen that she pretty much fell in love with

so that made me look into glock a little but im losing track of everything

can anyone tell me the differences between glock generations and also the little additional features available from glock?

things like what does SF stand for on the model 21
what models are available with a picatiny rail instead of the glock rail
what the difference is between the two "rough textured finishes" are

any other factory options?

if nothing else point me to a website with detailed info beyond the norm
glocks page doesnt do to much for information i mean i can tell the difference in caliber-number designation but there no detail on what options are available etc

thanks in advance
 
Here you go. Come by Glock Talk any time.

Glock_Generations.jpg

- 1st Generation has the smooth, rounded “pebble-grip”.
- 2nd Generation has the “Grenade-style” checkering with NO fingergrooves (see picture).
- 3rd Generation has BOTH fingergrooves AND accessory rail on the front dustcover.

-There is a 2.5 Generation as well, Glock was putting fingergrooves but no accessory rail
 
Glock "SF" stand for "Short Frame". As G21, and 30 were chamber in 45acp, and with larger/longer caliber comes with larger grip. Glock's try with SF to shorten the trigger reach by making the grip a bit smaller.

Some people joke SF as "Still Fat" though...
 
Glock last year came out the RTF2 and RTF3 (They count the normal 3rd Gen Glock as RTF1 but no one ever catch up. It's really confusing.)

glock-rtf.jpg
 
I might not come back to this thread, but if you want you can PM me if you have more question. I'll try to help whatever I can.

Glock fan help one another.
 
wow guys thanks for all the info

the models with the wierd slide serrations... all that meant was it had the RTF2 right?
 
been searching for my girlfriends first handgun and she has come accross a GLOCK 22 3rd gen that she pretty much fell in love with

Since your other questions were answered, I'd like to point out that it appears she has already made her choice. If she fell in love with the gen3 G22, why not go with it? It's a good enough gun in many respects. Always let her chose her own gun... unless you like throwing away money.
 
haha KB she already has it lol i was asking for a possable future purchase for myself lol
ive been married once before so i know the rule "never argue with the woman" lol

full metal jacket im not into the curved surrations almost makes it look like it doesnt belong in the traditional glock family

reaper is that true? +P+??? does the manual say this or is it just from personal experience?
 
reaper is that true? +P+??? does the manual say this or is it just from personal experience?

yes.

i keep law enforcement winhester ranger +p+ in my glock 19. you can shoot +p+ in your 9mm glock all day long and never where it out in your lifetime. (i was kidding with my buddy reaper when i asked about that, my friend :))
 
reaper is that true? +P+??? does the manual say this or is it just from personal experience?

Yes. Call Glock USA and ask. Glock pistols are even capable of safely shooting Hirtenberger L7A1 sub-machine gun ammo. (Not recommended though.)
 
Hirtenberger L7A1 sub-machine gun ammo

what is that?

im only assuming its more powerful because of the way you say that


yea im pretty much sold that my next handgun will be a glock 17 lol

and yea FMJ i figured they could handle +P but its not too many firearms you run accross that actualy claim +P+ most companies tell you if you shoot it youve voided your warrenty and youll put your eye out
 
yea im pretty much sold that my next handgun will be a glock 17 lol

100,000-Round 9mm Torture Test

By Chuck Taylor


On four occasions since 1990, I've written articles about a continuing evaluation I've been conducting to ascertain the longevity of the Glock Model 17 9mm pistol. The first of these, appearing in the February, 1993, issue of Combat Handguns, contained my findings as to the weapon's performance and durability after 33,000 rounds fired. At this juncture, I stated:

"I carried it in the rain, snow, dust and mud. I carried it when the temperatures were over 100 degrees and when they were 40 below.

"I presented the gun more than 10,000 times from it's plastic slide holster, speed loaded it 2,000 times, performed over 5,000 tactical loads, shot it weak-handed in excess of 2,500 times and field-stripped it 250 times.

"From the beginning, I resolved to grind it into the dirt, abuse it like no gun I ever had."

"Why? To find out the truth about Glocks, for once and for all...

"And I succeeded in doing just that. In a 30-month period, I fired 33,000 rounds, all factory loads, of every imaginable type made–– and it ate them all, almost without a single malfunction. I say 'almost' because on the 32,994th round, I finally had one–– a failure to feed! And this in spite of the fact that I cleaned the gun every 10,000 rounds whether it need it or not!

"100 rounds short of the 5,000th shot, both factory-provided magazines ceased to hold the slide open after the last shot, although they both continued to function normally otherwise. At round number 11,000 a second set did the same and was replaced by another.

"By the 500th holster presentation, the left side of the front site was so badly worn that a proper site picture was no longer possible. It was subsequently replaced with a steel version.

"By round number 16,000, I could see steel through the finish–– but it never did rust, although it was exposed repeatedly to rain, snow, perspiration and even blood.

"The trigger pull, originally 5.5 pounds, got smoother and a bit lighter, but it never did double or demonstrate a glitch of any kind.

"And after all this, it still shoots into 3 inches at 25 meters, not much different than when it was new."

Impressed, to say the least, I was still determined to see the test though to the point where the gun failed. So, although the piece had passed the 33,000-round mark without significant negative results or breakage, I continued the test.

The months went by and the test continued. By the end of the summer, 1993, the gun had shot 50,000 rounds without a hitch. Among my additional observations published in Glock Auto pistols 1995, were these:

"And now, after 50,000 rounds, nothing has really changed. It still:

"Functions reliably. In fact, not a single additional stoppage has occurred.

"Prints inside the 9-ring of a 25-meter pistol target, exactly as it did when it was new.

"Shows no additional finish wear.

"Exhibits no bore corrosion.

"Clearly, the Glock M-17 is a heck of a pistol and, as a survival instrument, is well worthy of our consideration. It is well-designed, well-made and capable of surviving a wide variety of environmental conditions. It will feed the entire spectrum of bullet shapes and functions reliably with virtually all power levels of 9mm ammunition. In addition, it resists corrosion magnificently and its design causes minimal wear on working parts, giving it an unbelievable long service life.

"Ugly? Maybe, maybe not! It depends on what's important to you–– cosmetics, or function. Regardless, it's my opinion that the Glock 17 is not only a winner, but may well be the world's best 9mm pistol. Obviously, only time will tell, but in the meantime, I've got 25,000 more rounds of 9mm ammunition to run through it to find out."

25,000 more

And the test continued. By February, 1995, the 25,000 rounds were expended, bringing the total to an unbelievable 75,000! Yet, the gun was still going strong, showing no indications whatsoever of impending failure. I replaced nothing–– no springs, firing pins, connectors or any other parts. In fact, viewed from the broad perspective, the gun had actually outlived it's magazines–– six two-mag sets at that point.

Truthfully, I had run out of things to do to the gun. Short of running over it with a car or freezing it into a solid block of ice–– both which I regarded as silly, since they fail to mirror real-world conditions and therefore prove nothing–– I had repeatedly exposed the gun to everything. In the July, 1995, issue of Combat Handguns and Summer, 1995, issue of Glockster, I said:

"After more than 70,000 holster presentations, I can detect no additional finish wear from that which appeared by 20,000 presentations.

"The bore is still without corrosion or excessive wear; the piece still shoots inside the 9-ring of a 25-meter pistol target, using the offhand Weaver Stance. In fact, to determine if any deterioration of intrinsic accuracy had occurred, I fired it from 35 meters in a Ransom Rest–– the worst groups were 2 inches!

"As an example of its practical accuracy capability, I offer the following. With the test gun, I was able to perform the following:

1. "Reliably get center-hits on a 18 x 30-inch steel silhouette target at 75 meters, knocking down five such silhouettes in under ten seconds.
2. "Take a whitetail deer with a single shot behind the shoulder at a laser-measured 70 meters.

3. "Successfully pass the ASAA Handgun Combat Master test with it, presenting it from concealed carry, shooting a score of at least 383 out of a possible 400."

My other observations at that time included:

"Internal parts exhibited no real wear or deterioration.

"The polycarbonate frame, though it had at one spot worn smooth from holster contact, appeared intact and without discernible deterioration.

"After more than 50,000 speed loads and an equal number of tactical loads, the magazine well was scarred somewhat but still serviceable.

"While the 56,103rd round blew a primer, the gun was undamaged. The resulting stoppage, a Type 3 (Feedway) was quickly cleared and the weapon returned to service.

"The trigger remained at 5.1 pounds, a reduction from it's original poundage of only 0.4 pounds. It was still smooth and had a crisp let-off.

"It was discovered that magazine service life could be dramatically increased by loading only 15, rather than the rated 17, rounds of ammunition. If a 'Plus-Two' floorplate is utilized, then–– and only then–– should a full 17 rounds be loaded. This prevents the follower spring from being fully compressed, thus causing it to soften and finally 'set', as the expression goes.

"The Trijicon (tritium) sights installed early in the test were still completely serviceable."

It looked like the test was over. The pistol had survived an incredible 75,000 rounds and was completely intact. I had my desired data-base–– the Glock M-17 was irrefutably a terrific pistol. In fact, I was so impressed that I concluded my article in Combat Handguns with this statement:

"Pretty, it ain't, especially after all it's been through. On the other hand, beauty is said to be in the eye of the beholder, and to me, the Glock is a tool, not an objet d'art. This being the case, we must view it differently–– function, not aesthetics, is the prime criteria. Viewed from this perspective, there can be no doubt that the Glock M-17 looks mighty good indeed."

Well, I just couldn't leave it alone. My curiosity about just how long the gun could survive continued to be intense. So, from my stores, I broke out an additional 25,000 rounds of assorted 9mm ammo and continued the test.

And now, the fall of 1995, after having fired a total of 100,000 rounds of virtually all kinds of ammunition...

Nothing has changed! The gun looks the same, feels the same, functions the same as it did before. I've done everything within reason to this gun. I've carried it all over the world, quite literally in every environmental condition known to man–– the steaming jungles of Latin America, the windblown deserts of the southwestern U.S., the 40-below zero tundra of Alaska in the winter.

And it worked–– every time. In fact, since I discovered that loading 15, rather than the rated 17, rounds into the magazine prevented the follower spring from softening, I haven't had a single malfunction. Both magazines used in this last 25,000 portion of my test remain strong and completely serviceable. And, by way of confirmation, I replaced the old springs in the magazines that failed during the test with new ones from Glock, and they, too, function perfectly.

I am especially impressed by the lack of apparent finish wear, even after over 100,000 holster presentations. The gun looks exactly as it did at 20,000! I've actually worn out several holsters, finally selecting the M-D Labs "Thunderbolt" (which I co designed with M-D honcho Kevin McClung) and matching mag carrier as the best. It's super-fast, yet secure and highly concealable, and being made of Kydex, it's by far the toughest rig now in existence.

The magazine well, although slightly scarred from in excess of 100,000 insertions, also remains entirely functional and looks much like it did in the early stages of the test.

Internal parts, too, look the same. I just can't find any discernible signs of deterioration. The piece shoots just as accurately as it did before and functions flawlessly.

So, in conclusion, the Model 17 9mm continues to defy wear, tear, corrosion and...well, me! I've thrown the whole book of tricks at this gun and yet, as this is written, it continues in service. Obviously, the Model 17 is a terrific handgun–– so terrific that I'd quite willingly bet my life on this one, even after all it's been through. What better recommendation can I give, eh?
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I've got a Gen III G22 and it's turned out to be my favorite pistol. I absolutely love the ergonomics, trigger pull, weight, capacity....everything.
 
glock's not one of them.
Glock is one of only a few that expressively state their pistols can handle +P+ loads. Something to note about +P+ is that there are no standards for it. It could be something as relatively mild as Winchester Ranger, or as hot as L7A1. That's why manufactures are hesitant to certify it for use. Not Glock however...
 
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