Help with identifying some guns.

[paintballdude902]

your Springfield Model 1898.

is what is commonly called a krag-jorgenson chambered in .30-40 krag

the price varies greatly anywhere from 3-400 up into the thousands

the one you posted pictures of looks to be in good shape i wouldnt take a dime less than 600 but i may be wrong since im not a krag guy

the older flintlock pistols are hard to price since alot of the value depends on the maker

 

[natman]

The Krag will be worth a lot more if it has not been modified from its original military configuration. Could you post a full length photo?

The Beaumont is interesting because of the KYNOCH stamping.

 

[Nautical]

PaintBall, Thanks for the info. Now I know where the box of .30-40 ammo belongs.
I will post some pics of it.

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[Nautical]

Natman, Here is a full length photo of the gun. And the ammo that goes with it.

There is another gun similar to this, but I think it is considered "repeating"? as it has a magazine on it. I don't think the magazine comes off, at least I have not been able to get it off. Have not tried hard either.

{The other gun I am referring to is not a springfield, it is another Dutch gun and I think it also says Kynoch on it. Sorry to be so confusing}

 

[Nautical]

Natman, Is Beaumont a "model" of a gun? Or a manufacturer?

Thanks, Skip

 

[Jim Watson]

http://www.militaryrifles.com/Holland/Beaumont.htm

The Kynoch marking means it was likely sold in England by that old maker of ammunition. Army surplus has been a going business for a long time.


Your Austrian Civil War gun is probably a Lorenz model 1854 rifle musket. Neither the Union nor the Confederacy could make enough guns to arm their troops, and imported many muskets and rifles. There were thousands of these Austrian guns imported here for both sides during the Civil War, second only to the British Enfield.

 

[Nautical]

Jim, Thanks for that web link. I have read most of that info. The trigger guard on this one is different, but I learned a lot.

Also from that home page I found some guns for sale. There were two listings that looked almost identical to the other Beumont I have here. I will have to study the photos more closely, and take some better ones of these to better identify them. Thanks much.

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[Poprivit]

If you decide on a price for that Trade flintlock, let me know by PM. I sold my last flintlock and am looking for another wall hanger for my small collection.

 

[Nautical]

Pop, Can't decide on a price till I figure out what it is. Is "Trade Flinlock" a brand? Any idea when it was built? Or who built it?

Thanks for your interest and any info you can offer.
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[paintballdude902]

hey check out the first thread in this section its online apprasals there is a way you can send pictures and get a brief history and a value

 

[rcmodel]

For instance, there are 2 Colt AR-15 rifles. One has a shorter barrel and a collapsable stock. The other does not have the collapsable stock and the barrel is about 20" vs 16".

An old friend (lives 1,000 miles away) that is trying to help me over the phone seems to think the one with the short barrel and collapsable stock is worth several hundred dollars more than the other.

Early Colt SP-1 AR-15's were made in a 20" rifle version and a 16" collapsable stock version.

In like new condition you might get around $1,200 out of the rifle, and perhaps $1,400 out of the carbine.

rc

 

[natman]

There is another gun similar to this, but I think it is considered "repeating"? as it has a magazine on it. I don't think the magazine comes off, at least I have not been able to get it off. Have not tried hard either.

The Krag has a magazine, it's just not detachable. The box on the RH side pivots at the bottom and you put the ammo in and close the lid.

The Krag looks like it is still in original configuration. It should bring a nice price.

 

[Nautical]

This rifle has some paper work attached referring to a "Kentucky Rifle".

 

[Nautical]

This is the other Beaumont Rifle.

 

[Jim Watson]

It is indeed a flintlock rifle of the Pennsylvania-Kentucky style of the late 18th - early 19th centuries. J&W Aston were lockmakers who supplied gunmakers. I could not find out if they built complete guns.

The "other Beaumont" is a Beaumont-Vitali 1871/88 repeater made by adding the prominent box magazine to the single shot of 1871.

 

[wyofool]

Nautical, I have a 30.40 Krag similar to yours and would be interested in the ammo if you would be willing to sell it separately.

 

[Nautical]

Thanks Wyofool for the offer. At this point I am not sure how I will proceed. It seems the newer guns which I did not post here are very easy to sell. But I am assumeing here that the older ones are probably less valuable right now with the current economic situation. It may be best for her to just hang onto them for awhile.

I don't know if it makes the gun easier to sell with or without the ammo for it. I guess it is something I need to consider as all of the guns have ammo for them. I have read that ammo for some reason right now is very hard to come by. I am not sure why that is, and if it is just a temporary situation or will stay that way for a long time.

I am going to be out of town for a bit to attend a family reunion in southern MO, but will be back by next Monday.

I really appreciate all the help I have recived here. With the links that have been provided I have learned a great deal about what the guns are, who made them etc. I believe I have good ID on all of them except that flintlock pistol. I think I will have to wait until I can find someone that can hold it in their hands and help determine what it is.

I don't know at this point how saleable any of them are, as I have not tried to sell them yet.

Sorry to be so vague, just have not decided how to proceed yet.

Thanks for everyones help, I will monitor this to see if anyone else has more to offer about the old pistol and how to list or sell them.

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