Helping the innocent.

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Think about this carefully before you post. Last night I had a thought while laying in bed unable to get to sleep. I have a large number of crazy thoughts running through my brain at night.

If a unarmed but good group of people were going to be attacked by a group of armed religous zealots with no real reason to attack just hatred, would you help the unarmed innocent? Even if you didn't know any of them personally. Keep in mind that you will only have 1 other person helping you & you will be fighting off a large group of zealots who may number 35-50. Would you be willing to take that risk? I'm not just talking about muslim extremists but baptists, catholics, etc. As I said before, think carefully before you post.
 
Just for clarification, what are the bad guys armed with and what can I bring to the party???


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Yes, I would help them (and die if I had to). I already (IMO) swore an oath to do so. I may have been released by others from that oath, I have not released myself.
 
"Just for clarification, what are the bad guys armed with and what can I bring to the party???"


You don't know what they are armed with if anything. They could have 870's or molotov cocktails. As for what you can bring, anything you have. Concealability isn't a issue. You just have to have your own equipment & ammo.
 
As the designated guardian of my home Grove, that's a question that I have already had to think about.

If I knew they were innocents, then: Yes. Yes, I would.

Namaste,
-BP
 
I wouldn't like it...but I'd have to do it. Particularly if the bad guys were religous zealots. The right thing to do is seldom the easy thing. To paraphrase..."all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
 
Religion has nothing to do with it.

If some how I knew the bad guys from the good guys I'd help the good guys. I've got nothing to lose and it might be interesting.:)

Who is the other person helping?
 
You don't know what they are armed with if anything. They could have 870's or molotov cocktails. As for what you can bring, anything you have. Concealability isn't a issue. You just have to have your own equipment & ammo.
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2 against 35-50, He!! yes doing the right thing is never wrong.


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As I understand it...

they pull out all the stops for the welcome party to the Summerlands for those that die while defending the innocent.

I would hope that I always have the courage to do the right thing (and how can defense of the innocent ever be not the right thing) no matter the consequences to myself.

migoi
 
VforVendetta:

You're assuming that I know that the people involved in the attack are zealots, and have nothing but hate in their heart. If i'm just coming upon this situation randomly, I might not know that. If I have no way of knowing what you describe to be true, i'd run like hell, dial 911, and be a good witness.

Now, if they have their Al Qeda membership badges in plain sight, I'd have no problem emptying any mag i'm carrying into the crowd.
 
One riot, one ranger?

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More seriously, I'd only defend strangers if my chances of dying or becoming injured were minimal. Else I'd run and hide and stay alive for the benefit of those who are truly important to me. For friends and family, yes, I would stay and fight.
 
If I were facing 35-50 men, all of whom were armed, ready and willing to die and just hoping to kill some innocents on their way out, probably not. However if only some were armed and there was the decent chance some would break and run, perhaps. It would depend what I was armed with. If I had, say, a scoped 30-06 which I could engage these fanatics with at a range, yes. If I had, say, a BAR and Molotav Cocktails, yes probably. If I only had, say, a Mosin or a Muaser, or maybe a 1911(carry gun) then no. I would get help as soon as I could and do all that I could in any case. However, I see no reason to get myself killed along with the innocents when I have no real chance of helping them.
 
Hmmm... I somehow KNOW that the agressors are zealots, and the victims are innocents (not, say, a NAMBLA rally)? And I can pick what I bring? Then yes... yes I would...

I think it was Cooper who gave a suggestion for this: a scoped .22, and a good vantage point... :evil:

Would I "step into the breech"? That would depend on the innocents involved. Adults should be able to take care of themselves. If kids though, I live by the BACA mission statement: "We do not condone the use of violence or physical force in any manner, however, if circumstances arise such that we are the only obstacle preventing a child from further abuse, we stand ready to be that obstacle." 'Nuff said...
 
Yes, I will always fight to defend innocents.

It's part of that whole integrity thing.
 
Geez, what are you eating before you go to bed? Mix a drink or take some pills because you obviously need to go to sleep faster. Please don't tell us what kind of dreams you have.
 
'card said: V4, have you considered looking into this whole "girlfriend" thing?
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I concur . . . reconsider your position, dude. I always slept soundly after . . . ahem . . . Anyway.

Nearly a decade ago I stuggled with the issue of when would I, a person having no legal mandate, be willing to employ my tools, and place my life, in jeopardy in the defense of another's.

I concluded that an adult has the ability and moral responsiblity to defend him/herself. If he did not place sufficient value on his own life, and use the same resources and opportunities I have to take reasonable steps to defend it, why should I intercede?

I would sooner run into a fire than assist someone who had the same opportunity as me to an effective means of self defense, but instead pimped it out to someone else in the form of taxation and policing.
 
If I was sure it was an aggressors-vs-innocents situation, yes. It's a moral imperative, and corny as it sounds, I've made my peace. I could think of worse ways to go.
 
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