Helping the innocent.

Status
Not open for further replies.
no, it's not natural...
there is a difference between heroism and stupidity..
if it's your job, then you know what you got to do...
but if you are a regular, then use your head...YMMV.:evil:
 
"...baptists, catholics, etc..." How would you know? Would it be different if they were Anabapists? Church of England? Atheists?
"...I may have been released by others from that oath, I have not released myself..." Ditto. Despite having been a very long way in reserve, a Commission is a Commission until it's formally taken away. Even then, not defending the weak is wrong.
 
I would sooner run into a fire than assist someone who had the same opportunity as me to an effective means of self defense, but instead pimped it out to someone else in the form of taxation and policing.
And if their means was confiscated by JBTs? I'm not talking about the ATF, I mean the real JBTs. Being disarmed by force of law (Jim Crow, anyone?) is very different from burying your head in the sand and relying on the police.

V's exact scenario has happened before, and it will unfortunately happen again. You'll find it all through history. You'll find it in the bible. It doesn't have to be restricted to religion. How about a black man being chased by torch-wielding klansmen?

I have plenty to lose, and maybe I can't predict my own behavior without being neck deep in it. My principles, however, demand action. My brother lays suppressive fire, and I'll try to pick off somebody important looking.
 
There are also religous institutions that abhor any type of violence. I would be willing to put it on the line for good people who were unable to protect themselves (for whatever reason).

Even if they should have had the means to protect themselves I don't think I could live with myself if someone asked me for help and then got slaughtered because I said no.
 
I would answer yes, but note that an immediate head on confrontation may be suicidal. I see no use in a small number of people dying immediately and with futility, when at least some of those people can fall back and attack in an alternate manner.
 
I'd only defend strangers if my chances of dying or becoming injured were minimal. Else I'd run and hide and stay alive for the benefit of those who are truly important to me. For friends and family, yes, I would stay and fight.
Pretty much true.

I have three young children and a wife who are my first responsibility - period. Had you asked me ten years ago, my answer would probably have been different. Ask me again in twenty years, and my answer will probably change again.
 
It basically comes down to a simple question of, are you willing to risk and probably give your life so that others may live, people that you don't even know.

I'd like to think my answer would be yes. My conscience would not allow me to live if I turned my back. Would yours?
 
You mean like lying on a grocery store roof with a scoped 30-06 and a double-barreled shotgun, the only Caucasian among Koreans? Yeah, I'd do that.

Pops
 
"Geez, what are you eating before you go to bed? Mix a drink or take some pills because you obviously need to go to sleep faster. Please don't tell us what kind of dreams you have."

I'm drinking Mountain Dew in large quantities, Lance crackers & some chocolate chip cookies. As for my dreams, I dream about being chased by a evil looking individual with a beard & who is slinging around a ax. I run like crazy until I can't run any further & he catches me. Then I wake up. Usually the villian is chasing me across a foggy meadow. Creeps me out.

"V4, have you considered looking into this whole "girlfriend" thing?"

Yes I've looked into it. I've found that all good women are either already taken, or made up in video games. The rest are crazy women who hate guns, meat, my poetry, etc & like vegatables, jewelry & the comedy stylings of Bill Engvall.


"How would you know? Would it be different if they were Anabapists? Church of England? Atheists?"

I was just trying to point out that the BG's might be people you know. Your neighbors may be nice to you but hate black people for example. If you saw a group of thugs heading to torch the house of a black family that you don't even know, would you stop them or mind your own affairs?

"And if their means was confiscated by JBTs? I'm not talking about the ATF, I mean the real JBTs. Being disarmed by force of law (Jim Crow, anyone?) is very different from burying your head in the sand and relying on the police. V's exact scenario has happened before, and it will unfortunately happen again. You'll find it all through history."


Exactly. I posted this topic because I wanted to know who here was truly a person who walked the high road. Someone who would risk their life in behalf of people they didn't even know. I did.
 
Probably. depends on what i and my friend has at our disposal. 2 AK's/AR's and a bunch of mags? sure. just as long as we both know how to bump-fire.

Just our carry pieces? i'd probably see if i could find cover, pop a few rounds, and haul ass outa there and call the police or somthing.

~tmm
 
Assuming no other factors are involved, then yes, I would take on the attackers. All else being equal, fighting and possibly dying to protect innocents is the right thing to do, no ifs, ands, or buts.

However, my answer is affected my the fact that I am young and have no dependents whatsoever. Not even a pet. If I die, it's just me and my stuff that goes.

If I did have a family, or a group of other people which I am directly and explicitly responsible for, then my survivability would become a major issue in my decision to engage or stand aside.
 
You wanted to know who "truely walked The High Road?"

Dude, give me a break.

You, who have very little experience, and are very young, and are relatively new to this world, presume to come onto this board, and judge people according to their answers to a nonsensical, theoretical, navel-gazing, wannabe hero, posting. You presume that the answers are true. You assume that you are somehow better than others, who you don't know, don't understand, and have never walked in their shoes.

For some of us, discussions like this aren't theory, and they aren't some little make believe hero game on the internet. Some of the people who you are testing to see if the "walk the High Road" do this kind of thing for a living, and have done so longer than you've been alive.

Some of us teach people to defend themselves. In the real world. Against real threats. Where their actions can lead to death for themselves, their loved ones, and others. Where the repercussions of their actions can cost them their freedom.

If I have a student, who carries a gun to defend himself, who chooses not to get involved in your scenario, because it is certain death, so that he may be able to return home to his wife and children who depend on him, not walking your version of the High Road? So I can safely assume that you, in your smug condescension, are somehow better tham him?

Words are cheap. Life is hard.

Some days the internet pisses me off.
 
Calm down Correia. I wasn't talking about those who have family or such. I just wanted to know who would help other folk they don't know in a jam.
 
Correia said:
Some days the internet pisses me off.
I agree.

In fact, the only thing more irritating than the typical, predictable, meaningless, overly-sincere and oh-so-serious, vapid rambling of teenagers is when otherwise reasonable grown-ups take them seriously and get lathered up about it.
 
Bull.

When I teach a CCW class, after I've gone through the legal use of force, I draw a triangle one the board. It has three points.

Legal.
Tactical.
Moral.

Legal, I can teach. Tactics, I can teach. Moral is what lets you sleep at night.

It is nice when all three come together in one situation. Usually the don't. Sometimes Moral gets you killed. And sometimes Tactically sound gets you put in jail.

Nice little theoretical word games are fun on the internet. But they are just that. Games.

I had no problem with your first post. What-if scenarios are great.

But the second that you said you were testing to see who really walked the High Road, my BS meter pegged.

The closest I ever came to getting shot to death was because I got involved in a scenario like yours. It had nothing to do with religion. But it was a whole bunch of bad people vs. one good one. I got involved. And the only reason I didn't get killed was by sheer, stupid, dumb luck.

So can I be self righteous and proclaim that anybody who didn't do what I did was a coward and doesn't "walk the High Road?" When I teach, should I encourage my people to do stupid, and fool hardy, futile noble gestures to satisfy your morality?

No thanks. Keep your theories, but don't for a second presume that you have this, or any other answer.
 
DUDE!

V4 you must be young - no one is innocent and you should only kill those you hate. Live and learn.

Also, its good for you to win in your dreams ... tell yourself before you go to sleep that you will kick the BGs butt in your dream - make up a superpower or something (i know a super rifle) try it.
 
"V4 you must be young - no one is innocent and you should only kill those you hate. Live and learn."


I meant good people.
 
Exactly. I posted this topic because I wanted to know who here was truly a person who walked the high road.

By the nature of this thread I would have to say it sure isn't you. Not only is the original post offensive to a number of groups that don't deserve it, if this was THR it would already have been closed.

Nomination for stupidest thread of the year.

As I said before, think carefully before you post.
Good advice - follow it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top