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So I broke down and bought some factory ammo , ordered 7:62 nato by winchester 125rd bulk pack
Arrived today so during my inspection
They looked good with a few extra rounds included, then I found this
Poor quality control on the factorys part,
With the extra rounds I do have 125 usable rounds that I paid for but still




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Are you serious? What in the world is that crap being shipped out! I hope you make a big stink about this.Palmetto State? Wow!
 
I was thinking lots of folks just order bulk and dump in an ammo can for a rainy day, with the idea it is factory ammo in good to go
But not so much
I did email winchester could not find a # , they maybe email only
 
tightgroup tiger said:
It happens to them and it happens to us as well. Probably us a lot more.
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I don't know about you, but if something like that were to slip through my handloading / QC process, it would indicate failures at multiple points in the chain. The day I start making mistakes like that is the day I'll sell my equipment.

I do find it amazing, seeing some of the crazy stuff that gets through the factory, that I never had a problem over the years.
 
Shouldn't have happened, but if a real person had to look at every single factory cartridge, then we couldn't afford it.

I was loading some .32 S&W Long today on my Lee Classic Turret Press. A few times the safety prime would deposit the primer upside down, but I would correct prior to seating. Factory ammo is turned out thousands of rounds at a time, and the amazing thing is that only a few slip through like the one in this post.
 
I have had one reversed primer in a Federal Match .223 round, a couple of uncrimped bullets that were loose in various makers ammo, I recall a lot of Winchester white box 115 gr 9mm fmj had numerous problems with flash holes not being drilled through, and of course many .22LR rounds that were out of spec or poorly primed and did not fire the first time struck.

As a hand loader myself, comparing my ability to check for such an anomaly compared to an automated factory running three shifts a day is an apples to blue whales comparison. If you look at the percentage of miscues like these against the billions of small arms rounds that are made yearly at almost every ammo factory I can say the odds of getting a swapped primer or (more likely) a funky crimp are there, but really small in the grand scheme of things.

Without the lot number from the original carton I don’t know how the manufacturer of that round (2016 head stamp date) will be able to track down the offending machine...but maybe they’ll send you a box of rounds anyway,

It always pays to examine the rounds like you did, even when they are your own.

Stay safe.
 
Quality Control does not mean each and every round is hand inspected at time of manufacture. It means a given number of rounds are selected from a given lot and checked. They look for an AQL (Acceptable Quality Level). That's it and as good as it gets. The vendor is not about to inspect each and every round they ship and as mentioned they tossed in a few extra rounds. This is bulk NATO ammunition not match quality over a buck a round ammunition. So a primer got flipped during manufacture?

Ron
 
jmorris said:
They might be mad if it was sold broken down and someone put it back together as “new” but not at you.
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That's another good point. The stuff has a 2016 head stamp so who knows its complete history or what it has been doing the past 4 years or so?

Ron
 
Sistema1927 said:
Shouldn't have happened, but if a real person had to look at every single factory cartridge, then we couldn't afford it.
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True, but with machine vision, no one has to look at every one. For any company that manufactures millions of rounds a year, the cost of a machine vision system is negligible.
 
Annealed rds come from the factory? Never saw that.At least that's what I'm seeing.I've had a bunch of bad formed brass from Winchester.
 
jonb32248 said:
Annealed rds come from the factory? Never saw that.At least that's what I'm seeing.I've had a bunch of bad formed brass from Winchester.
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This process is called annealing, and whether or not you can visibly see evidence of it on your new ammo, all bottleneck style brass rifle cases are annealed before being shipped to the customer.
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Why Your Mil-Surp Ammo Brass Looks Weird

The issue is the military brass is not polished after the annealing process while commercial brass is but as they point out all bottleneck brass is annealed at the shoulder and case mouth area.

Ron
 
jonb32248 said:
Annealed rds come from the factory? Never saw that.At least that's what I'm seeing.I've had a bunch of bad formed brass from Winchester.
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Every 5.56x45 mm 55 gr FMJ round I’ve bought from Winchester is annealed from the factory, to the tune of 20,000 to 22,000 a year for the office. It’s super common to see annealed cases in mil-spec type 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 ammo. :)

Stay safe.
 
Riomouse911 said:
Every 5.56x45 mm 55 gr FMJ round I’ve bought from Winchester is annealed from the factory, to the tune of 20,000 to 22,000 a year for the office. It’s super common to see annealed cases in mil-spec type 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 ammo. :)

Stay safe.
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You learn something every day thanks. Never knew that.
 
I'd just pull the bullets, deprime, and put them in the right way. I'd wear earmuffs when poking those out; pushing them out when in the right way, I've never had a detonation, but that way they might.
 
That way is even less apt to go off. I have put one or two in backwards over the years, just get flipped over in the hand primer, push them out and reinsert them properly. One 9MM made it all the way through being loaded. I just pulled the bullet with pliers, tossed the powder, pushed out the primer, saved the case and primer..
 
I've seen that,but I have never done that. If I were putting out 1000's of rounds every day I'm sure it would happen.
 
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