Hi-caps in danger?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by vintovka, Mar 12, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TheBruce

    TheBruce Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2019
    Messages:
    130
    To be clear, the only AR style magazines I would consider "high capacity" are the Surefire 60 and 100 round magazines, and 100 round drum magazines since they are designed to hold many more rounds than the original magazines.

    But I agree, the actual definition doesn't have to make any sense, it just has to be whatever they write down in black and white in the bill for it to be effectively enforced. Just like the terms "assault weapons" and "weapons of war" are idiotic and meaningless. My rifles have never assaulted anybody, and wars aren't fought with AR-15s. Just more corrupt lawmakers legislating that which they know nothing about.
     
  2. danez71

    danez71 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,218
    Location:
    CA,AZ,CA,TX
    That .gov is defining a term is what we should want so it isn't ambiguous which is a common complaint about laws in general... that they aren't well defined leads to varying definitions based individual biases and thats a real problem in the court house when you're the defendant.

    It also allows us to argue against a proposed finite definition rather than against a non defined moving target term.


    Either way, 11+ round mags were 1st put on the naughty list over 25 yrs ago. That's true and factual.

    In real life, try telling anyone that got a felony that their convictions were imaginary.


    PSA: Its Large Capacity Magazines. They don't use the term high capacity magazines. Search link above.

    Some are nit picking a term they don't even use.
     
  3. Hangingrock

    Hangingrock Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2010
    Messages:
    2,502
    Location:
    NC
    To be honest I am not that concerned. What happens, happens. There is not much I can do as the last election put the gun grabbers in place. We have to wait for the next series of elections to replace them. Those that endured the last magazine restrictions probably are stocked up with the standard design capacity magazine for their weapon of choice as opposed to restricted capacity. Those that are now in power mostly do want an incident to occur that would affect their ability to govern.
     
  4. DustyGmt

    DustyGmt Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2016
    Messages:
    2,029
    Location:
    Green Mountains Vermont
    I have always taken care to refer to them for what they are, standard capacity magazines. We let the other side take complete control of the terms and vernacular and now we have "assault weapons" "high capacity magazines". I wish we were, as a group, a lil more diligent about speaking accurately and precisely. If we have been paying attention, we know these seemingly lil things that might seem insignificant, actually make a difference over time.
     
    Demi-human, Doc Samson and Blue Jays like this.
  5. DustyGmt

    DustyGmt Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2016
    Messages:
    2,029
    Location:
    Green Mountains Vermont
    If this bill gets its legs and enough traction to look like it will pass in the senate, somewhere magpul will be loading up trucks and dispatching them to the state capitols and passing them out like Halloween candy. I love magpul, their products are outstanding and they are a solid company.
     
  6. DocRock

    DocRock member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2019
    Messages:
    3,109
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    I have posted, in another thread, the Democratic Party platform adopted in 2020 and its provisions on restricting Americans’ gun-rights. Banning “assault weapons” which may mean any semi-auto firearms and “high capacity magazines” which may mean any magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Legislation to do just that has been introduced in the House and Senate. President Biden’s “Gun Czar”, Bobby O’Rourke is on video stating clearly “Hell yes, we’re coming for your AR15s”. None of this is a surprise.

    https://Democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/
     
  7. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    7,543
    Location:
    The Mid-South.
    With about ten Hungarian Tanker mags - this is the only type - for my three imported AKMs, and three proprietary mags for the Czechpoint VZ-58, these are enough.
    We won't be fighting any Ramadi 2 in my residential area--ever. That would be only movie fantasy.

    For people with a new gun interest in 2020 (or in future years) who were broke and had no gun money, my sympathy.

    No matter what passes in the Senate, many of these new AR, AKM, VZ owners will have a friend who might sell them an extra "normal capacity" mag or two.
     
  8. GJeffB

    GJeffB Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    185
    Location:
    Southern Colorado
    I'm not going to minimize the legislative effect. Colorado pulled this crap in ... 2008 (?). Of course while it was pending, there were those that bought as many greater than legislated (how's that for standard vs hi capacity :D) magazines. Fine, whatever. But the legislation HAD to incorporate a grandfather-in. Otherwise it would have constituted an illegal taking, e.g. your vehicle runs on fossil fuel, therefore we're confiscating it. So we bought up greater than legislated capacity magazines.

    But wait. Do magazines have a born on date? A "best used before" date? Of course not. There is no way to determine an acquisition date. So there was no action to take them out of existence. Once again a completely ineffectual piece of legislation, almost unenforceable and practically unprosecutable. The same would probably apply to an excessive tax or requirement for NFA registration. Present ownership grandfathered in. YMMV, IANAL, etc

    -jb, again marveling at the stupidity of the smart people elected
     
  9. danez71

    danez71 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,218
    Location:
    CA,AZ,CA,TX
    CA grandfathered mags... then later eliminated while avoiding the illegal taking.

    A sane judge overturned it... got appealed... and currently...

    The law sits tied up in the 9th and still in effect.
     
    vintovka and qwert65 like this.
  10. unspellable

    unspellable Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,829
    Location:
    Iowa
    I have a double barreled rifle. At what point does it become a "high capacity" rifle?
     
    BlueHeelerFl and P5 Guy like this.
  11. vintovka

    vintovka Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2020
    Messages:
    530
    Meanwhile "i am told" the laws were largely, if not openly, defied. Demand and price went up accordingly. In response Californians immediatly stripped the shelves in neigboring states and on net This appeared to me to be short lived due to the combination of saturation and folks realizing the law was largely uninforceable. Demand went way down and Prices sunk to low levels. So with current idiotcracy guess what?
     
  12. danez71

    danez71 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,218
    Location:
    CA,AZ,CA,TX
    Since 1994 in CA (aside from a very brief window) .... just amongst the criminals.

    I'm sure it happens but I don't even hear whispers of it happing which makes me tend to think it very close friends, family, and the typical criminals.

    I would believe its ignored in the early times when a new law is passed but CA has had them on the naughty list for 25 yrs. Older ppl have died off and all the new shooters have grown up with the restriction.

    Part of the plan.... groom the new generations.
     
  13. South Prairie Jim

    South Prairie Jim Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2019
    Messages:
    2,451
    Location:
    Libby Mt
    Screenshot_20210315-085004~2.png
     
  14. vintovka

    vintovka Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2020
    Messages:
    530
    Yeah right. With movies like John Wick and endless tv shows, movies and video games the new generations are largely addicted to violence and each a potential killing machine. Banning anything from chewing tobacco to AK's is intended to drive demand and further the decline of our society.
     
  15. Doc Samson

    Doc Samson Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Messages:
    153
    Location:
    Almost NoVa
    Sorry if I'm straying off the OP's topic but... all of these ^^^. I never cease to be amazed at how often many of us acquiesce to the anti's twisting of facts, logic, and terminology... and still think we will be able reach some "common sense" ground with them. Believe it or not, they have an agenda with a very specific end goal. Every "common sense" compromise we make regarding laws, policies, language, etc. NEVER benefits us, does it?
     
    Casefull, kwguy, BlueHeelerFl and 5 others like this.
  16. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    20,407
    See the first response. They want everything.
     
    JTHunter, P5 Guy, DoubleMag and 2 others like this.
  17. Good Ol' Boy

    Good Ol' Boy Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2016
    Messages:
    2,463
    Location:
    Mechanicsville, VA
    All of the mags I own for every gun are standard capacity so I'm not too worried.

    Beyond that we currently have a lawless group that has stolen power so take from that what you will.
     
  18. ozarkhillbilly

    ozarkhillbilly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    683
    Location:
    mo
    Yes many area's, New York and California have outlawed mags over 10 rounds and most people are simply ignoring the law and getting by with it. What happens when state or federal officials decide to go after anyone they deem to be a political danger to them for having standard capacity mags, after all they are breaking the law. What this law does more than anything is force a large segment of the population into keeping their mouths closed and staying out of any political discourse to avoid being noticed.
     
    MySuomi, BlueHeelerFl and Blue Jays like this.
  19. CoalTrain49

    CoalTrain49 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2014
    Messages:
    4,339
    Location:
    Somewhere in WA.
    I don't buy anything that uses a magazine over 10 rds anymore. The reason is the state that you live in can turn those into contraband overnight. Then what will you do with those? Turn them in or sell them if you can find a buyer. I'd rather not deal with that, thank you. I advertised some 13 rd Sig mags for a lot less then I paid and no takers. That's what you get when they're still legal in most states. When they get a federal restriction like in CA you might as well throw them in the garbage.

    Don't think the supreme court is going to overrule a district court ruling. They haven't to date and they won't. It is what it is. If congress passes a UBC (likely), mag restriction or AWB #2 it stands, just like it did before. Go to jail if you want. I'd rather sleep in my own bed. I'm fine with 10.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2021
  20. BigAlShooter

    BigAlShooter Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2021
    Messages:
    121
    I loaded up on over 10 capacity mags a while ago, knowing something like this may happen. I recently bought a 10 round mag for the AR, really just to allow the gun to sit lower on the shooting bag at the range. I was going to wait to get it, but if anything passes, sure the 30 rounds will sell out quick, but the 10 round legal ones will also sell out, as the 10 rounder may be the only one allowed at your public range.

    Not wanting to think negative, but what if they ban mags over 10 rounds, and all of the 10 rounders are out of stock and over 10 rounders can't be made. Instead of ammo shortage, now there is a mag shortage...
     
    Blue Jays likes this.
  21. CoalTrain49

    CoalTrain49 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2014
    Messages:
    4,339
    Location:
    Somewhere in WA.
    Are you going to take those to the range. What exactly is a political danger? The off duty sheriff that shoots in the lane next to you isn't going to determine whether or not you're a 'political danger". He's sworn to uphold the law. If he see's you with contraband my guess is you're under arrest.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2021
  22. DustyGmt

    DustyGmt Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2016
    Messages:
    2,029
    Location:
    Green Mountains Vermont
    Which reminds me, since the goal seems to be hijacking the 1st and 2nd, I'm trying to decide on whether I want the other side to be legally obliged to call me "lord dusty" or "master dusty". Seriously, we should get down in the dirt with em and calling out every thing we can, the high road approach isn't working out. No offense fam...
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2021
    Doc Samson and Demi-human like this.
  23. ozarkhillbilly

    ozarkhillbilly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    683
    Location:
    mo
    My comment was for the folks who say, its no big deal if they ban mags no one is coming for them. If you have to hide them then what good do they do you? Political danger is anything or anyone who stands against their ideas or beliefs, and going after them criminally for anything you can think of. This has happened way too many times, in Austin TX and Alaska to name a couple of places. Most of us don't want to give up our rights or be forced into silence. Do you really think if we let them have everything over 10 rounds that they will stop there, New York didn't. California is removing three handguns for each one it accepts on its "Not Unsafe List" and its dropping around 7% to 8% off the list every year, and now you have to have a background check for ammo. Washington and Oregon are not far behind.
     
    Doc Samson and Demi-human like this.
  24. drk1

    drk1 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    306
    No one has "to agree to disagree" with anything. That's one of the pet phrases leftists use to insult everyone who doesn't fall in line with their views. As the "urban dictionary" explains, it a way of insulting someone without really calling them an idiot. It's always amazing to see someone so intent on bragging about how many organizations they belong to and where they are "contributing members." Lengthy "contributions" to more than a dozen different forums, all with a political agenda. Just leaves some folks wondering, who's paying the bills. This will probably get me booted, but at this point in the leftist destruction of the country, it really doesn't matter.
     
  25. gnappi

    gnappi Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2005
    Messages:
    330
    Location:
    South Florida
    Maybe the "lawmakers" will look to places like Italy and outlaw calibers the military and law enforcement use... like 9mm and .223. Whatever they do, it's sure to affect the ebb and flow of popularity of handguns and calibers. The last mag capacity ban saw buyers saying... "Why buy a fat 10 round 9mm gun when I can buy a slim 9 round .40 or .45" Unintended consequences?

    I'll wait and see, nothing else to do.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice