hi point 9mm carbine vs. sks accuracy.

[bullseyebob47]

i think i want to buy a hi point 9mm carbine for a 150 yard range. i hit a 9" rubber target at 150 yards, stock iron site sks almost every shot. is the hi point carbine itself a lot more accurate than the the sks?

 

[usfan]

Not in my experience. The hi point is a nice, cheap 9mm carbine, but has neither the accuracy, range, or ballistics of the sks in 7.62x39. Both have a niche!

 

[njl]

In my limited experience, Hi-Point's 9mm carbine is accurage, but 150yds is a lot to ask of 9mm. Some quick googling says 7.62x39 bullet drop at 150yds is about 2.5". With 9mm, it's going to be close to that number...but in feet.

 

[C0untZer0]

I always wondered what the trajectory and range would be like on some of the 50gr +P stuff in 9mm.

 

[USAF_Vet]

150 yards is probably beyond the limit of acceptable accuracy for the 9mm. Yes, it can reach out that far, but with how much reliability?

My Hi Point 9mm carbine was zeroed at 100 yards, paper plate accuracy.

My SKS was also zeroed at 100 yards, with much, much smaller groups.

The SKS is going to be more accurate.

 

[ironworkerwill]

Hipoints are very accurate. The problem is the capability of the round. Its like comparing a Ford Focus to a Ferrari Testerosa.

 

[Davek1977]

I wouldn't expect a Hi-point to be very accurate at that range....crtainly not remarkably moreso than an SKS, and I'd guess, considerably worse, simply due to the drop and compensation that would be needed to be on target at that range. Simply put though, neither is what I'd consider a precision target rifle at any range Fun yes, extrodinarily accurate? Nope

 

[bikerdoc]

post 5 echos my experience.

 

[kBob]

SKS for the win, Alex.

Of course that does not mean 9 sillymeters do not have their place, just that at 150 meters.......even that original pee smelling steel core Red Chinese ammo that was what we initially had for the SKS is going to beat out a Hi Point.

-kBob

 

[DaisyCutter]

I always wondered what the trajectory and range would be like on some of the 50gr +P stuff in 9mm.

It seems counter-intuitive at first, but a heavier 9mm would likely trounce a 50 grain in trajectory.

Assuming identical diameter and similar design, the faster lighter projectile loses speed faster, while the heavier one retains the speed it started with better.

At some distance, a 115 grain will be going faster than a 50 grain, despite the 50s initial advantage. Wind resistance increases at the square of the speed, so the lighter bullet has to fight greater resistance (initially) and has less mass to fight it with.

That's the simple explanation.

The 7.62x39 will trounce anything a 9mm can shoot. 150 yards is about the max realistic range for a 9mm, and right in 7.62x39mm's happy place.

 

[BCRider]

I'd suggest that 9" at 150 is more about the plain iron sights than the bullet and gun accuracy. So I'd say that once you adjust the sights on the Hi Point that you'd likely get just as many hits or very close to it.

Elevation control in your sighting would likely be a little more demanding since the slower 9mm bullet will have a steeper drop angle at that distance. That makes your elevation adjustment and elevation hold a little more sensitive.

 

[Scooter22]

Just a example of a 9mm at 100yds. I have a Marlin 9 Camp carbine and tried a 4x scope on just to see what it would do at 100yds. 115gr JHPs would group in the 2-3" range so the round is capable of good accuracy.

 

[mokin]

DaisyCutter put some thought into this. Can't say I disagree with any of it.

However, developing a load for the 9mm cartridge that could produce acceptable results would be an interesting challenge. I imagine though, that by the time you got the charge and the bullets figured out, it'd by less expensive to shoot 7.62 x 39.

 

[barnbwt]

"Hipoints are very accurate. The problem is the capability of the round. Its like comparing a Ford Focus to a Ferrari Testerosa."

Eh, more like comparing a Festiva to a Fiesta --neither is particularly impressive, but one is more suited to highway driving

TCB

 

[giggitygiggity]

Go with the SKS. I'll put an SKS against a Hi Point every day of the week and twice on Sunday. The SKS fires a more powerful round that can reach out much further than a 9mm and inflict more damage. Moreover, the SKS is an Easter Bloc weapon designed for, used in, and still used in war. It's a tough and proven design.

 

[Col. Plink]

Strange but true!

I know a lot of Internet stories aren't fully truthful, but the following anecdote is so improbable that I've scarcely bothered to brag about it (even to my tangible friends).

The silliest trick-shot-like feat I've ever actually pulled off was with a HiPoint .40 carbine (I know the OP was about 9mm, but hardly a difference really). Anyway, I suspended a pill bottle by a string from the 100m rail at my rifle club. As light faded, I severed the string using my BSA 4x scope on said carbine. It was a steady shot that hit right on the crosshairs, and I just wish someone else had been there to corroborate.

That, and my Yugo M59 Simonov is stupid-accurate. So I'm not sure what I've been able to add to the discussion (except isolated, anecdotal evidence for both sides).

Bon appetit!