freebird
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Does anyone own a Hight Point C 9? They are very reasonably priced I just wondered how dependable they are. Also will they fit in your pocket very easily? Thanks
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If you did a search you'll find many Hi Point threads.Most of the mentions of them will be how horribly made they are and that they're perhaps barnside accurate,unergonomic and unreliable,suitable only as doorstops but there are the actual Hi Point owners who will pipe up and say that they may be many things but that they are reliable and affordable.
I have never owned or fired one and have no desire to.If I was on that tight of a budget,I would try to search the couch cushions for enough to get a used S&W or perhaps even Rossi or Taurus revolver.
I have never owned or fired one and have no desire to.If I was on that tight of a budget,I would try to search the couch cushions for enough to get a used S&W or perhaps even Rossi or Taurus revolver.
Primersinmyshoe
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My gunshop won't even carry Hi Point pistols because of their poor quality. I've heard that you can't even field strip them for a good cleaning. Is that right?
same old thing everytime they are mentioned. Please disregard just about every opinion you get here as they are from people who don't own or have never shot one. I have 2. One 9mm and one 45. They are very accurate. They can be fieldstripped and cleaned. They are durable, reliable and affordable. I would own them again if anything happened to the ones I have.
I don't have a hipoint so I can't speak to their reliabililty or accuracy. That said you mentioned pocket carry. Keep in mind hipoints are blowback guns, not locked breech. This means the slides have to be pretty heavy. Heavy and pocket gun, or concealed carry gun for that matter usually aren't thought of as going together all that well.
Personally if I wanted a smaller carry gun on a budget, I'd save my pennies a bit longer and get one of these http://www.summitgunbroker.com/1658555.html
Personally if I wanted a smaller carry gun on a budget, I'd save my pennies a bit longer and get one of these http://www.summitgunbroker.com/1658555.html
My next purchase will be one of the 9mm Carbines. Why? Because people that actually OWN them have almost always said no problems. Think I saw one post that the guy had a problem with it, but sent it in and got a whole new one.
People that don't actually OWN one are the ones that are saying things that you generally expect from someone commenting on a Lorcin or Jennings. People see the price and the fugliness and automatically assume crap.
Now in terms of longevity the Hi-Points might not cut it, but with a lifetime no-questions asked warranty who cares if the thing finally falls apart after 10K rounds. Just get a new one.
People that don't actually OWN one are the ones that are saying things that you generally expect from someone commenting on a Lorcin or Jennings. People see the price and the fugliness and automatically assume crap.
Now in terms of longevity the Hi-Points might not cut it, but with a lifetime no-questions asked warranty who cares if the thing finally falls apart after 10K rounds. Just get a new one.
Mooseman
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I don't own the 9 but I do own the 45. Reliable, inexpensive, but too heavy for concealed carry. I like highpoints and if I see a used 9 cheap I'll probably buy it. For concealed carry they're better options. I'd cruise my local gunshow and see what I can find in a snub.
Primersinmyshoe
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I will rethink my opinion of Hi Points now that I've heard some positive remarks. I will try and shoot one to see for myself.
22LongRifle
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Except for the 4595, I've owned at least of one of Hi Point's firearms. During my last quailifing as a reservists, I put my 40S&W through and pasted! I've kept two 40s and two 45s and have them "around" the property for in times of need.
I think the larger 40 and 45 calibers or the best of the pistol line. The 380 is great also, but I like the bigger bores. The 9mm has problems with feeding from the magazines. And I do believe that all that's wrong with it. Mine and others would feed great with 6 rounds at first. After the magazine weakened, I could get it to function with 7 or 8 rounds. I just never trusted it like the 40 or 45. Also, I like the idea of having the same magazine for a pistol and carbine (995). The 995/C9 combo didn't share a commom magazine. The best option was to use the ten round carbine mag for both, but it didn't fit flush in the pistol. The 4095/40JCP did share the same mag and they worked great. So I kept them.
As of now, I have four 40S&W pistols, one 45ACP pistol, three 995 9mm carbines, and a lone 4095. I got them all used and for about $100 each, adn that includes shipping back to BeeMiller for a "checkup" after purchase. All feed HPs, JSP, and my poorly made casted rejects. I believe the 995 is the greatest little carbine made, even if it costed twice as much! The 4095, 40S&W carbine kicks like a mule! I don't know why, maybe I'm a wuss. But I was in pain after a all day carbine course with local LEOs. That and the 4095 is a little too long and bulky for its purpose. I'm thinking of having my gunsmith wack the barrel down to 16" and somehow take two inches of the stock. That should get it down to the 995s size. Also, I filled the stock (its plastic and hollow or has hollow chambers) with GREAT STUFF. This helped (the 995s and 4095) with the recoil. Now, the 995 doesn't have alot of recoil, but my 11 and 13 year old daughters felt that a little less was better, so YMMV. Ten trounds of +p 9mm isn't nothing to sneeze at, coming out of a 16" barrel. And having another ten mounted on the carbine with a Ranger Band aids in a quick reload. The light 995 is quick and my goto for something that goes bump in the night.
Now, back to the C9. I've thought about getting another and seeing if it is beter than the olders. But the more I look at pistols and their limits, the more I like my rifle and carbines. So its not because of the pistol, just my changing beliefs. But, I had the greatest feeding rate with a full mag with a shorter 9mm bullet, like UMC or my reloads. I think this is because the 380 and 9mm were built on the same frame and its dimisions favor the 380. If you reload, I would get the 380 and load it hot.
A side note...there is a forum setup for Hi Point firearms. I would go there for some info, but the main administrator, GLOCKMAN, is a bigot. Big Al, a gentleman who openly admitted he was guy, was bullied and cowardly removed from the site for nothing more than being gay and having a picture of a south park figure as his aztar. After forcing out Big Al, GLOCKMAN, went to a south park aztar. I was raised that a person is just that , a person. I might not be like that person or I might not think like or believe like that person. But I have no right to belittle that person just because that differance. GLOCKMAN is a caliber bigot also, thinking anything other than a 9mm is stupid and not needed.
Jerry
I think the larger 40 and 45 calibers or the best of the pistol line. The 380 is great also, but I like the bigger bores. The 9mm has problems with feeding from the magazines. And I do believe that all that's wrong with it. Mine and others would feed great with 6 rounds at first. After the magazine weakened, I could get it to function with 7 or 8 rounds. I just never trusted it like the 40 or 45. Also, I like the idea of having the same magazine for a pistol and carbine (995). The 995/C9 combo didn't share a commom magazine. The best option was to use the ten round carbine mag for both, but it didn't fit flush in the pistol. The 4095/40JCP did share the same mag and they worked great. So I kept them.
As of now, I have four 40S&W pistols, one 45ACP pistol, three 995 9mm carbines, and a lone 4095. I got them all used and for about $100 each, adn that includes shipping back to BeeMiller for a "checkup" after purchase. All feed HPs, JSP, and my poorly made casted rejects. I believe the 995 is the greatest little carbine made, even if it costed twice as much! The 4095, 40S&W carbine kicks like a mule! I don't know why, maybe I'm a wuss. But I was in pain after a all day carbine course with local LEOs. That and the 4095 is a little too long and bulky for its purpose. I'm thinking of having my gunsmith wack the barrel down to 16" and somehow take two inches of the stock. That should get it down to the 995s size. Also, I filled the stock (its plastic and hollow or has hollow chambers) with GREAT STUFF. This helped (the 995s and 4095) with the recoil. Now, the 995 doesn't have alot of recoil, but my 11 and 13 year old daughters felt that a little less was better, so YMMV. Ten trounds of +p 9mm isn't nothing to sneeze at, coming out of a 16" barrel. And having another ten mounted on the carbine with a Ranger Band aids in a quick reload. The light 995 is quick and my goto for something that goes bump in the night.
Now, back to the C9. I've thought about getting another and seeing if it is beter than the olders. But the more I look at pistols and their limits, the more I like my rifle and carbines. So its not because of the pistol, just my changing beliefs. But, I had the greatest feeding rate with a full mag with a shorter 9mm bullet, like UMC or my reloads. I think this is because the 380 and 9mm were built on the same frame and its dimisions favor the 380. If you reload, I would get the 380 and load it hot.
A side note...there is a forum setup for Hi Point firearms. I would go there for some info, but the main administrator, GLOCKMAN, is a bigot. Big Al, a gentleman who openly admitted he was guy, was bullied and cowardly removed from the site for nothing more than being gay and having a picture of a south park figure as his aztar. After forcing out Big Al, GLOCKMAN, went to a south park aztar. I was raised that a person is just that , a person. I might not be like that person or I might not think like or believe like that person. But I have no right to belittle that person just because that differance. GLOCKMAN is a caliber bigot also, thinking anything other than a 9mm is stupid and not needed.
Jerry
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I have the C9. It is fugly, but accurate. I put about 600 rounds of the WalMart WWB with no problems at all. It is heavy. But I think that is a good thing for this model of handgun.
I am no lover of the HiPoints, but have shot them and seen people shooting them. They are the ugliest, most cheaply made, odd feeling gun I know of, but:
They are accurate: not like a match pistol, but pretty close to any duty-type gun. Plenty good enough for SD.
They are reliable: they seem to feed most ammo just as well as the better guns do.
They can be field stripped: it isn't as easy as most, but for the price...
The trigger is rough, the gun lacks a slide release but has a slide lockand the safety lever small and hard to operate. However, if I was on a more limited budget, I would buy one and willingly count on it to save my butt.
They are accurate: not like a match pistol, but pretty close to any duty-type gun. Plenty good enough for SD.
They are reliable: they seem to feed most ammo just as well as the better guns do.
They can be field stripped: it isn't as easy as most, but for the price...
The trigger is rough, the gun lacks a slide release but has a slide lockand the safety lever small and hard to operate. However, if I was on a more limited budget, I would buy one and willingly count on it to save my butt.
dralarms
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I own 4 9mm's and a 45. While they are not the prettiest horse in the stable they go bang every time. I would not attempt to carry one, too heavy, but for placing at stragtic locations around the house without tying up thousands they are perfect. Kept on in my bathroom closet for 2 years no rust even in that high humidity location.
varoadking
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I look at it this way...how much sense does it make to buy a gun that sells for less than 1,000 rounds of the very ammo it uses?
Having noted that the knocks against the Hi Points on all of the gun forums I frequent were almost all from non-owners, it was because if that that I went and got one to see for myself.
IMO, a capable gun. If all you are looking for is something to shoot reliably with some accuracy, they are much more than what you pay for them. Nowhere near the accuracy of a $1000+ gun but easily combat accurate, at least my sample (C-9 Comp).
Only drawbacks are its bulk and the stiff spring (which could be an issue for weak hands) needed for its simple blowback action.
After over 2000 rounds through mine (stopped counting), only a couple (possibly three, it has been a long time in the past) misfeeds in the first 50 rounds fired through it.
I love mine (C9). Like every OWNER has said, good enough, accurate enough, reliable enough. Best warranty in the biz. Not small enough for a pocket... unless you have those really baggy pants that hang down off of your butt. Trigger is rough.
Others complain about the size and style of the safety...
Might just be my hands, but I find it almost perfect for my thumb. The only safety I like better (can flip easier) is on my 1911. It's way better than the one on my Daewoo.
Others complain about the size and style of the safety...
Might just be my hands, but I find it almost perfect for my thumb. The only safety I like better (can flip easier) is on my 1911. It's way better than the one on my Daewoo.
Dgreno
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I have a C9. I think it is a decent good gun. Lifetime warrenty, can't beat that. Not my CCW because its a brick. I have also had quite a few stovepipes at the range, I think mostly due to the low quality mags. My 8 rd mag is the one I have trouble with the most, but the 10 rd is too long, imho, to be comfortable to carry. It has had ~1000 rounds through it. It has been a good gun, but it gets finiky when dirty (after about 50-100 rounds). The gun, imho, is uncomfortably top heavy. I do keep it in my nightstand with a 10rd magazine. I am the second owner. The first owner loved it and used it everyday as a ccw in an IWB holster. It is hard to field strip, you have to remove a pin using a steel tool and a mallet. Just for reference, my CCW is a Taurus Millennium PT145 PRO.
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The .45 acp rocks! It is very heavy but reliable and accurate.
freebird
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Good Lord! Sorry guys! I did not mean to cause a family fued. Actually I have a Mil Pro PT 45 for my concealed carry and love it and also have a Kel Tec P3AT .380 Hard Chrome for my pocket and love it! I am really asking for a friend. I suggested they get the Kel Tec but they saw this one and wanted something just for around the house and maybe the glove box. I do however appreciate all the posts you have all been very, very helpful! Thanks!
Cheaply made pot metal guns. You do get what you pay for. There is a reason why they have such a good warranty... because they need it. I've shot several and only one made it through an entire mag without malfunction.
If you're looking for a cheap beater truck gun then its probable a good deal. Use it for anything else and you're taking your life in your hands.
If you're looking for a cheap beater truck gun then its probable a good deal. Use it for anything else and you're taking your life in your hands.
There is a term for people who've never shot a Hi-Point but love to tell you how horrible they are: Gun Snobs.
Granted, they are fugly, heavy, and cheap.
They are also reliable, practical, and expendable.
I bought my C-9 when I was a poor college student. It was what I could afford. Now, its my tackle-box gun, because if I dropped it in a lake I could fish it out and get any repairs done by Hi-Point for free. Gotta love that warranty.
The one thing I don't like is the way the firing pin moves freely. I'm not comfy keeping one in the chamber because when I did I would notice little marks on the primer where the firing pin had been bumping into it.
I've heard that Hi-Point used to make very poor quality guns, and especially bad magazines. That seems to be a lot better now. I've never had a FTF or FTE with mine, and I've used it plenty.
Granted, they are fugly, heavy, and cheap.
They are also reliable, practical, and expendable.
I bought my C-9 when I was a poor college student. It was what I could afford. Now, its my tackle-box gun, because if I dropped it in a lake I could fish it out and get any repairs done by Hi-Point for free. Gotta love that warranty.
The one thing I don't like is the way the firing pin moves freely. I'm not comfy keeping one in the chamber because when I did I would notice little marks on the primer where the firing pin had been bumping into it.
I've heard that Hi-Point used to make very poor quality guns, and especially bad magazines. That seems to be a lot better now. I've never had a FTF or FTE with mine, and I've used it plenty.
bestseller92
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I don't have one, but a guy I work with has a two, in .40 and .45, and swears by them.
Im283
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My first pistol was a Hi-Point, in .40 S&W.
I have had a few misfeeds in 500 rounds but considering the price they are well worth it.
Way to heavy to consider as a carry weapon, but it is very accurate and it is the one on my nightstand. I dunno where the term pot metal came from, it is not pot metal. My frame is polymer.
From ten to twenty feet there is no way I would miss, and at that range I doubt a second shot would be required. That makes a jam a moot point.
I recommend you buy one.
Gotta love the Gun Snob comment, lol
I have had a few misfeeds in 500 rounds but considering the price they are well worth it.
Way to heavy to consider as a carry weapon, but it is very accurate and it is the one on my nightstand. I dunno where the term pot metal came from, it is not pot metal. My frame is polymer.
From ten to twenty feet there is no way I would miss, and at that range I doubt a second shot would be required. That makes a jam a moot point.
I recommend you buy one.
Gotta love the Gun Snob comment, lol
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