Hi-Point C 9
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Its not the frame, its the slide. Zamack, or whatever they call is is really REALLY low grade metal. Why do you think the price is so low.
Thats the kind of logic that gets people dead.
And what percentage of those products go back to the manufacturer compared to hi-points.
Not judging them one way or the other, but is it not acceptable for an individual to express that they would never buy one based on the above alone? That doesn't mean they don't have other strong points, of course.
And I'm glad the option exists either way. more choices = more better imo.
Heresay
I don't own a hi-point yet. I have been looking at them and the 9 is a good size for carry. I think it's a stretch to say it could go in your pocket with any room to spare though. A cargo pants pocket for sure, but jeans would be tough because of it's thickness.
I spoke with a friend who has a 45 and says he has no problems with it, it works fine. The 45 is a big handled single stack, for in desk drawers and such. To carry the 9 is more realistic.
Good luck,
Biker
I don't own a hi-point yet. I have been looking at them and the 9 is a good size for carry. I think it's a stretch to say it could go in your pocket with any room to spare though. A cargo pants pocket for sure, but jeans would be tough because of it's thickness.
I spoke with a friend who has a 45 and says he has no problems with it, it works fine. The 45 is a big handled single stack, for in desk drawers and such. To carry the 9 is more realistic.
Good luck,
Biker
I say thank God Hi Point is around. At least the average working stiff can get a decent firearm to defend his family and home.
They are decent firearms, made by a good American company with excellent customer service who stands behind their product. What's not to like.
They are decent firearms, made by a good American company with excellent customer service who stands behind their product. What's not to like.
22LongRifle
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If you are wanting a C9, I would get the comp model. It has the better ten round magazine and a comp on the barrel. Too big for carry, but a great range gun and for the home or car.
And as far as the wonderful warrenty is "needed", well I'm glad its there. I've sent everyone of my HPs in cause they were used. They were looked over, brought up to "par" if needed.
Jerry
And as far as the wonderful warrenty is "needed", well I'm glad its there. I've sent everyone of my HPs in cause they were used. They were looked over, brought up to "par" if needed.
Jerry
Im283
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I stand corrected, guess it is made from pot metal.
"ZAMAK is a trademark covering a family of zinc alloys, the primary components of which are zinc, aluminium, magnesium and copper.
The most common ZAMAK alloy today is ZAMAK-3, but ZAMAK-2, ZAMAK-5 and ZAMAK-7 are all still being manufactured. These alloys are used extensively in die casting."
I still stand by my statement that I recommend you buy one, it is great fun to shoot. The few jams on feed I have had do not ruin the enjoyment of shooting. It has jammed on two magazine loads, the other 48 mag loads have run fine. And not everyone can afford a pistol that a gun snob would approve of.
Talking about getting people dead (me I assume) is not a nice thing to say.
The jams are always near the 7th or 8th round out of the magazine.
"ZAMAK is a trademark covering a family of zinc alloys, the primary components of which are zinc, aluminium, magnesium and copper.
The most common ZAMAK alloy today is ZAMAK-3, but ZAMAK-2, ZAMAK-5 and ZAMAK-7 are all still being manufactured. These alloys are used extensively in die casting."
I still stand by my statement that I recommend you buy one, it is great fun to shoot. The few jams on feed I have had do not ruin the enjoyment of shooting. It has jammed on two magazine loads, the other 48 mag loads have run fine. And not everyone can afford a pistol that a gun snob would approve of.
Talking about getting people dead (me I assume) is not a nice thing to say.
The jams are always near the 7th or 8th round out of the magazine.
Marshall
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Freebird,
Whatchya think Holmes? Go or no go?
Whatchya think Holmes? Go or no go?
Whirlwind06
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Kel-Tec has to up there too.
Spend some time on ktor.org. Lots of returns.
I have 2 KTs by the way and a Hiipoint carbine. So I'm not just picking on guns I don't own.
22LongRifle
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What are your reasoning and stats about the high return rate?
Jerry
Jerry
Marshall
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Ah heck, you get what you pay for these days. Granted there are some over priced products and also some good value products but for the most part, you get what you pay for.
High Point doesn't have any magical foo foo dust that allows them to make a average pistol for far less than average money. A $128.00 45ACP semi-automatic handgun is not my idea of a product I want to own. Heck, maybe I'll buy a cheap Duncan yo-yo knock off, Lincoln Log clones or a Ronald McDonald punching bag that's not really Ronald. In my book, a gun like the High Point fits in that category, the only problem is, it's a firearm. When it comes to firearms, I'll keep my standards a bit higher for many reasons. Heck, put off firing ammo for a few months and apply that money to a better quality gun. You're odds of being happier and safer are much higher. You don't have to buy a Les Baer to have great odds, like I pointed out, a few months of ammo can get you very nice handgun.
High Point doesn't have any magical foo foo dust that allows them to make a average pistol for far less than average money. A $128.00 45ACP semi-automatic handgun is not my idea of a product I want to own. Heck, maybe I'll buy a cheap Duncan yo-yo knock off, Lincoln Log clones or a Ronald McDonald punching bag that's not really Ronald. In my book, a gun like the High Point fits in that category, the only problem is, it's a firearm. When it comes to firearms, I'll keep my standards a bit higher for many reasons. Heck, put off firing ammo for a few months and apply that money to a better quality gun. You're odds of being happier and safer are much higher. You don't have to buy a Les Baer to have great odds, like I pointed out, a few months of ammo can get you very nice handgun.
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STAGE 2:
So...let's see these "statistics."
Blanket statements are not good argument points
So...let's see these "statistics."
Blanket statements are not good argument points
Im283
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Where do you get a Hi-point .45 for $128?
State to state must be different.
If it was not for the liberal do-gooders trying to pry weapons from honest owners the $400 9MM might got for half that and a Hi-Point would sell for
$50.
No way my pot metal polymer frame pistol should have cost $177 before tax.
State to state must be different.
If it was not for the liberal do-gooders trying to pry weapons from honest owners the $400 9MM might got for half that and a Hi-Point would sell for
$50.
No way my pot metal polymer frame pistol should have cost $177 before tax.
Mike U.
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You know, I remember reading where the owner or CEO of Hi-Point stated they were looking to fill a niche where average working people who could not afford hundreds of dollars on a HD firearm would have an option available to them. That being, to be able to have an accurate, reliable firearm that was affordable for lower income people.
After reading the reports from people who actually own and use these guns, and, also the occasional Hi-Point owner I run across at the range, it seems to me Hi-Point has accomplished their mission. Adding a Lifetime Warranty is a GREAT deal for an inexpensive firearm.
Now, I mainly shoot an HK USP45 these days, but, I remember earlier in my life when I could have really used a gun like this. I had to opt for a Jennings .380 which was a really iffy prospect and people who owned them would tell you as much. That does not appear to be the case with Hi-Point.
Personally, I applaud the efforts of Hi-Point for getting a decent, reliable handgun into the hands of honest, hard working people who would otherwise not have a means to defend their homes and loved ones. In all likelihood, these same people will use these guns as stepping stones to the more expensive name brand firearms most of us use and have come to love.
Call me a bliss-ninny if you must, but, I'm glad this company has stepped up to the plate for those who would otherwise have to do without or buy a gun that is supremely inferior in reliability and build and quite possibly, dangerously inferior.
After reading the reports from people who actually own and use these guns, and, also the occasional Hi-Point owner I run across at the range, it seems to me Hi-Point has accomplished their mission. Adding a Lifetime Warranty is a GREAT deal for an inexpensive firearm.
Now, I mainly shoot an HK USP45 these days, but, I remember earlier in my life when I could have really used a gun like this. I had to opt for a Jennings .380 which was a really iffy prospect and people who owned them would tell you as much. That does not appear to be the case with Hi-Point.
Personally, I applaud the efforts of Hi-Point for getting a decent, reliable handgun into the hands of honest, hard working people who would otherwise not have a means to defend their homes and loved ones. In all likelihood, these same people will use these guns as stepping stones to the more expensive name brand firearms most of us use and have come to love.
Call me a bliss-ninny if you must, but, I'm glad this company has stepped up to the plate for those who would otherwise have to do without or buy a gun that is supremely inferior in reliability and build and quite possibly, dangerously inferior.
Marshall
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CajunBass
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I'm another one who bought one to see if they're as bad as "everyone" says they are. Based on my sample of one, they're not.
I've put about 2,000 rounds through mine, (A C-9) with maybe a half dozen malfunctions. Nothing has broken on the gun. I've never had to send it back for repair. It just shoots and hits as close to where I aim as I expect any of my guns too.
Not bad for $139.00.
I don't shoot it much anymore, I've got a fair number of other guns I shoot, but if I needed it, it would do the job.
I've put about 2,000 rounds through mine, (A C-9) with maybe a half dozen malfunctions. Nothing has broken on the gun. I've never had to send it back for repair. It just shoots and hits as close to where I aim as I expect any of my guns too.
Not bad for $139.00.
I don't shoot it much anymore, I've got a fair number of other guns I shoot, but if I needed it, it would do the job.
mrelijahgardner
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I've carried my Hi Point for about a year now. I've got nicer newer guns but I just like my Hi Point .380.
I just bought a Sig 1911. I was showing a friend the difference between the two. I pulled the magazine out of the Hi Point and there were dust bunnies and all kinds of **** in there. I can't imagine subjecting my new sig to that kind of abuse. I put the magazine back in the Hi Point and it emptied the gun without a hitch. I'll clean it and carry it some more because it is just a good soild gun. Not as nice or accurate or powerfull as my other guns are but I know it will work when I need it to.
It fits my hands nicley, it's accurate enough for self defense. It is a little heavy but not so heavy it can't be carried.
Anyway, Just my opion on the Hi Point. I'm not saying they are the best gun in the world. But if you need something that works for a good price. Hi Point is the way to go.
I just bought a Sig 1911. I was showing a friend the difference between the two. I pulled the magazine out of the Hi Point and there were dust bunnies and all kinds of **** in there. I can't imagine subjecting my new sig to that kind of abuse. I put the magazine back in the Hi Point and it emptied the gun without a hitch. I'll clean it and carry it some more because it is just a good soild gun. Not as nice or accurate or powerfull as my other guns are but I know it will work when I need it to.
It fits my hands nicley, it's accurate enough for self defense. It is a little heavy but not so heavy it can't be carried.
Anyway, Just my opion on the Hi Point. I'm not saying they are the best gun in the world. But if you need something that works for a good price. Hi Point is the way to go.
makarovnik
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Zamak is what the m16/ar15 receiver is made from. It's fine as long as there is enough "meat" on the slide and the breachface is a steel insert. The slide on the S&W .380 Sigma was made out of similar material.
Surely you jest. Most AR recievers are made from aircraft grade 7075 T6 aluminum. That aint Zamak by a long shot. What is Zamak? Courtesy of a little wiki work...
ZAMAK is a trademark covering a family of zinc alloys, the primary components of which are zinc, aluminium, magnesium and copper.
The most common ZAMAK alloy today is ZAMAK-3, but ZAMAK-2, ZAMAK-5 and ZAMAK-7 are all still being manufactured. These alloys are used extensively in die casting.
The New Jersey Zinc Company first developed the ZAMAK alloys in the 1920s. The name ZAMAK is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Z for Zink (zinc), A for Aluminium (aluminum), MA for magnesium and K for Kupfer (copper). It is also known as ZAMAC.
One of the more familiar uses of ZAMAK is in making die-cast toys. It is also beginning to be used in automotive wheel balancing weights as a substitute for lead, especially in the European Union. ZAMAK is often called "pot metal" or "white metal".
Something about my pistol sharing the same metal as a diecast toy just doesn't make me feel right.
Im283 already did that wiki work.
Honestly, do you think a gun is bad because it is made out of the same thing as toys? You do realize that polymers are much more popular in toys than ZAMAK, don't you? I'm sure die-cast Hot Wheels are seveal times sturdier than most toys these days. So can I assume that you would never trust a gun that uses polymers?
And what's with this crap you keep saying about Hi-Point probably having a ridiculously high number of returns? Their profit margins can't be very high selling $100 guns. If they were swamped with returns, they would simply go out of business. If you're going to attempt an argument, could you at least pretend to have some actual facts on your side?
You know, I'm sure there are plenty negative things you could say about Hi-Points without continuing to stick your foot in your mouth. Try a little harder.
Honestly, do you think a gun is bad because it is made out of the same thing as toys? You do realize that polymers are much more popular in toys than ZAMAK, don't you? I'm sure die-cast Hot Wheels are seveal times sturdier than most toys these days. So can I assume that you would never trust a gun that uses polymers?
And what's with this crap you keep saying about Hi-Point probably having a ridiculously high number of returns? Their profit margins can't be very high selling $100 guns. If they were swamped with returns, they would simply go out of business. If you're going to attempt an argument, could you at least pretend to have some actual facts on your side?
You know, I'm sure there are plenty negative things you could say about Hi-Points without continuing to stick your foot in your mouth. Try a little harder.
Have owned both the 9mm and the 45...never had a problem with either of them. They are not pretty and the 45 is big, but they go bang everytime I pull the trigger.
My brother owns a 45 and has never had a problem with it...he keeps it in his truck.
My son owns a 9mm and also has never had an issue with it...being young and not having much money it was all he could afford at the time.
As for carrying, even the 9mm is a little large and for a little more you could get something smaller and more comfortable...bersa 380, etc.
My brother owns a 45 and has never had a problem with it...he keeps it in his truck.
My son owns a 9mm and also has never had an issue with it...being young and not having much money it was all he could afford at the time.
As for carrying, even the 9mm is a little large and for a little more you could get something smaller and more comfortable...bersa 380, etc.
EVERYONE online has an opinion...even if they never seen the weapon or fired the weapon. To the OP, you have to read between the lines when it comes to asking a question on a firearm forum. I just find it amusing when people bash on a firearm without owning or shooting one. We sold plenty of Hi Points in the gun shop I used to work for and they are reliable. IMO, Hi Points are ugly as sin, but they are built like tanks. The one drawback was that the pistols are so bulky that finding a holster for CCW was difficult. I heard that holster companies are starting to offer holsters for Hi Points, so that should solve that minor issue.
I don't see anything wrong with buying an inexpensive pistol to get yourself into shooting. Not everyone has the funds to buy high end firearms. Ultimately, it's the shooter and what he/she can do with the weapon.
I don't see anything wrong with buying an inexpensive pistol to get yourself into shooting. Not everyone has the funds to buy high end firearms. Ultimately, it's the shooter and what he/she can do with the weapon.
Im283
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