Thanks guys. I was in a gun shop and saw them hanging on the wall with the price on them. I couldn't believe the price so I asked the guy behind the counter and he said yes thats the right price. I have never owned an auto just revolvers and was thinking of getting an auto just to play around with in the backyard. Sounds like they are a good gun for the money. By the way I tried the search function and I couldn't get it to work for me.
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mcdonl
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Fatty. Go to Google, advanced search... search for what you want and put in thehighroad.org as the domain.
And, if you are one of those guys who are afraid to park your Honda next to a Harley in fear of being looked down upon than don't get one otherwise, good guns.
And, if you are one of those guys who are afraid to park your Honda next to a Harley in fear of being looked down upon than don't get one otherwise, good guns.
christcorp
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pancake; the idea behind using a hi-point as a truck gun and the likes, is not because if I lose it or have the truck stolen, that I wouldn't be upset about not getting it back. Personally, I find that to be quite negligent. A hi-point can kill another person just as easily as any other gun. I will never leave a weapon in a position where it can be stolen, just because it's cheap. That's despicable. Yes, the part about it falling overboard in a boat is legitimate, but not the being stolen part.
The reason, at least for me, that it's a good truck, camping, garage, etc... gun, is because I won't worry so much if it gets banged around a little bit. Or if a little rust gets on the barrel. Or if it gets scuffed up in other way. And like you mentioned about it falling into the lake out of the boat. Because it's inexpensive; (Not Cheap - 2 different things); I don't mind if it's abused a bit more than say my Sig, Dan Wesson, Kimber, or one of my other high priced guns. But I do trust the hi-point to shoot each and every time, and hit what I'm aiming at it. But again, I would never leave the gun in the truck, or in a similar situation where it could get stolen, just because it's inexpensive and it wouldn't be a great loss to me. I'd be more concerned about it being used to commit a crime than the money lost to me. But that's just my opinion.
MCDONL I have owned Hondas in the past but currently own a Harley. I don't care what other people think of what I own. Its what I want or can afford at the time. The Hi Point pistols just struck my fancy. Why pay 5 or 6 hundred dollars or more for a pistol when you can get one on for under 200. They all go bang when you pull the trigger. I'm just looking for one to mess with in the back yard and teach my grandson to shoot one. We spent the winter clearing timber and brush for our shooting range. Last fall we built our trap shooting range. We have a lot of fun out there when he comes over. Neighbor says he can tell when my Grandson is there because he hears gunshots all weekend.
Sapper771
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Christcorp,
I may be unlucky, never know anymore. That may also be the reason I got mine so cheap.
I know several individuals that have hi-points, they malfunction on a regular basis as well. One of those individuals is what I call a budget gun guru. All of his pistols are hi-points and his rifles are mil-surp Mosin-nagants. Nothing wrong with his choice, we don't rag him about it either. We have shot with him several times and his 40 cal hi-point (his CCW) jams regularly.
Maybe the Hi-point we have around here didn't get the memo LOL.
I may be unlucky, never know anymore. That may also be the reason I got mine so cheap.
I know several individuals that have hi-points, they malfunction on a regular basis as well. One of those individuals is what I call a budget gun guru. All of his pistols are hi-points and his rifles are mil-surp Mosin-nagants. Nothing wrong with his choice, we don't rag him about it either. We have shot with him several times and his 40 cal hi-point (his CCW) jams regularly.
Maybe the Hi-point we have around here didn't get the memo LOL.
They are ugly that's for sure. When you are out of ammo for it you can throw it. I know that would hurt like heck.Had a buddy buy a used 9mm for about $120 and he thought that was the greatest deal ever. Problem is that he don't know much about firearms.
mgregg85
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Pros:
Its cheap
It works
Lifetime Guarantee
Cons:
Its huge
Its hideous
Its heavy
Its made of zinc(you may just need that guarantee, maybe not)
I'd rather save a bit more money and get a kel-tec or a taurus, I feel that taurus makes much better weapons and Kel-Tec is leaps and bounds ahead of Hi-Point. Another alternative is a used pistol. Smith & Wesson 5900 series pistols can be had for around $300 and those are a far better choice if you can afford the little extra cost.
Its cheap
It works
Lifetime Guarantee
Cons:
Its huge
Its hideous
Its heavy
Its made of zinc(you may just need that guarantee, maybe not)
I'd rather save a bit more money and get a kel-tec or a taurus, I feel that taurus makes much better weapons and Kel-Tec is leaps and bounds ahead of Hi-Point. Another alternative is a used pistol. Smith & Wesson 5900 series pistols can be had for around $300 and those are a far better choice if you can afford the little extra cost.
RonBernert
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I had the .45 for a while... I took it to the range, shot it for a while, must have run 250 rounds thru it with some friends. Fun ended there, even though it was extremely accurate at 20 yds. It sat for a long time without as much as a look, put it up for consignment at my local gun shop. They sold it for $10.00 less than what I paid for it originally, due to the fact that I included a target and a note that stated that it never jammed, and was accurate.. My loss? $30.00 for the experience.. Worth it? Sure!
mgmorden
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Problem is Kel-tec makes a different type of gun. Hi-Points are mid-size guns. Kel-tec is pretty much exclusively pocket pistols. While the pocket guns are great for CCW, very few people want something so small for car guns, nightstand guns, or to just take to the range.
Usually the cost of materials is a trivial part of the cost of the gun, which is why larger versions of a gun are invariably the same cost as the smaller versions. If Kel-tec put out a full to mid sized version of the PF-9 at the same price point, I'd wager that they'd sell a ton of them to people who want something just a tad more traditional than a Hi-point.
Alternatively I'd love to see what Hi-point could do if hey came out with a traditional locked breech steel-slide gun. Bump the price $40 and make it happen. I'd wager they'd sell a lot of those.
JR47
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Just think, that logic is used to justify the poster's own opinion. You can find it in threads about just about every type of gun.
Used guns are just that, used. They come with no warranty, and you're buying a pig in a poker. If there's a problem, you're up a creek.
Ugly? You mean like a Glock, or a S&W Sigma?
The ONLY excuse not bandied about regularly in this thread is the lame, HOW MUCH is your life worth?
The High Point will work. If it's what you want, get it. If you want something more expensive, that, too, is your choice. I see quite a few of them as car guns down this way. In fact, they can't seem to stay in gun shops, being bought immediately. Worse, the shops report that they are having no return problems with them.
CajunBass
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I have owned two, a 9mm and a 45acp.
The 45 was a great pistol, never a problem with it and very accurate. I could hit a softball at 20 to 25 yards without much effort. I could also hit the same softball 1 handed at the same distance 6 or 7 times out of a full magazine. I regret selling it, but sold it to buy a 1911 Officer model.
The 9mm didn't seem to be to be as accurate (probably just me) as the 45. But still wasn't to shabby. I did have some feeding problems that I'm willing to bet money was the magazines fault. The followers in the 9mm magazine is not as well made as the ones for the 40s&w and 45acp models. They kept binding in the body of the magazine and prevented the next round from feeding properly. I sold it to fund my smaller CCW, a Kel-tec p11. Hope Hi Point wised up on the 9mm magazine problem. I might buy another to play around with if they had the same style follower as the 45acp model.
I am a function over form kinda guy so the looks doesn't bother me at all. In fact I am currently looking to buy a 995 carbine for some plinking fun. Hi Point is still a-ok in my book.
The 45 was a great pistol, never a problem with it and very accurate. I could hit a softball at 20 to 25 yards without much effort. I could also hit the same softball 1 handed at the same distance 6 or 7 times out of a full magazine. I regret selling it, but sold it to buy a 1911 Officer model.
The 9mm didn't seem to be to be as accurate (probably just me) as the 45. But still wasn't to shabby. I did have some feeding problems that I'm willing to bet money was the magazines fault. The followers in the 9mm magazine is not as well made as the ones for the 40s&w and 45acp models. They kept binding in the body of the magazine and prevented the next round from feeding properly. I sold it to fund my smaller CCW, a Kel-tec p11. Hope Hi Point wised up on the 9mm magazine problem. I might buy another to play around with if they had the same style follower as the 45acp model.
I am a function over form kinda guy so the looks doesn't bother me at all. In fact I am currently looking to buy a 995 carbine for some plinking fun. Hi Point is still a-ok in my book.
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christcorp
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The fact that the hi-point is a "Blow-Back" pistol and Striker-Fire is what makes it so cheap. Making a gun with a fixed barrel is easy to do. Throw in a single stack magazine and no elaborate safeties; just a retainer for the sear; and Hi-Points are priced right. The only drawback, with a fixed barrel, is that you really have to beef up the slide and spring. Making a locked breech pistol will cost more than $40 extra.
And that is where many of the critics confuse CHEAP with INEXPENSIVE. Hi-Points are inexpensive because they are blow-back pistols with absolutely no frills at all. No decocker, no double action, no trigger safeties. Just your most basic of pistols. And because of the back pressure, most blow-back designs normally don't go over the 9mm makarov caliber. But because Hi-Point is willing to put a heavy and ugly slide on their pistol, with a heavy spring, they can make a blow-back handle 9mm, 40, and 45acp. This is much different than a "Cheap" gun. When you make a 9mm, 40, or 45 in lock breech, if you go inexpensive, then that means it's generally cheap also. It's much harder to make a reliable lock breech pistol. Especially in the hotter calibers. That's why so many of the smaller calibers like the 9mm mak, 380, 32, and 25 are blow-back. They are extremely reliable but less expensive to build. And with the lower pressure, they can handle a fixed barrel better. Currently, I believe hi-point is about the only current production blow-back pistol in the 9mm, 40, and 45acp caliber range.
mgmorden
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christcorp: I don't know. I think Hi-point could do locked breech for not much more than $40 more. The Kel-tecs really don't cost that much more and they're locked breech.
Or, when worst comes to worst, keep the blow-back design, but scale down to a smaller sized STEEL slide on the .380 which will work just fine as a blow-back without the Hercu-slide. I'm just saying that I think there is a market out there for an "inexpensive" pistol that looks the part, rather than what the Hi-point is (an inexpensive pistol that looks "cheap"). Going to a steel slide also solves my main hiccup about the Hi-point, which is that the zinc slide places a fairly low wear-out limit on the gun compared to other pistols. That's fine for most people, but I personally just don't want to feel like I'm quickly wearing through my gun's useful life with every round. Sure that happens with every gun, but comparing the 100,000 that most will take with the 3,500-5,000 that a Hi-point will take is an order of magnitude different. Sure it's got a lifetime replacement warranty if you do, but that hinges on Hi-Point being around in 10,15, 20 years. With litigation and the like how it is, I wouldn't place bets on ANY particular gun company being around that long.
To sum it up, I think they're good guns for lots of people - I just personally have some things that keep me from picking one up at the moment. There are things that could be changed that would convince me to go with one though.
Or, when worst comes to worst, keep the blow-back design, but scale down to a smaller sized STEEL slide on the .380 which will work just fine as a blow-back without the Hercu-slide. I'm just saying that I think there is a market out there for an "inexpensive" pistol that looks the part, rather than what the Hi-point is (an inexpensive pistol that looks "cheap"). Going to a steel slide also solves my main hiccup about the Hi-point, which is that the zinc slide places a fairly low wear-out limit on the gun compared to other pistols. That's fine for most people, but I personally just don't want to feel like I'm quickly wearing through my gun's useful life with every round. Sure that happens with every gun, but comparing the 100,000 that most will take with the 3,500-5,000 that a Hi-point will take is an order of magnitude different. Sure it's got a lifetime replacement warranty if you do, but that hinges on Hi-Point being around in 10,15, 20 years. With litigation and the like how it is, I wouldn't place bets on ANY particular gun company being around that long.
To sum it up, I think they're good guns for lots of people - I just personally have some things that keep me from picking one up at the moment. There are things that could be changed that would convince me to go with one though.
ET
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I currently own a C-9 Hi-Point that is 15 years old. It is even heavier than the current C-9 models. The whole thing is steel. By far the heaviest gun I own...including my Glock 21 fully loaded with 14 rounds of 45acp! It doesn't fail to feed as long as I shoot WWB from wally world, so why won't I use it?
I never have placed it in my dresser drawer, even though it would probably go boom in the middle of the night if I needed it to. I never ever considered it for ccw. Heck, I don't have a holster for it. Maybe I've become a gun snob. I always leave it in the safe when I go to the range. God help me. I have become one of them!!!
I never have placed it in my dresser drawer, even though it would probably go boom in the middle of the night if I needed it to. I never ever considered it for ccw. Heck, I don't have a holster for it. Maybe I've become a gun snob. I always leave it in the safe when I go to the range. God help me. I have become one of them!!!
Supertac45
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Junk.
I'll probably pick up one of the 9mm's if I come across a good deal just for the heck of it see what all the hype is about lol. Seems like it would be a good throw away gun that you wouldn't really care much if it got damaged or stolen. The slide is by far the ugliest thing I've ever seen though on a pistol I think lol.
christcorp
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mgmorden; please tell me where you get these numbers. I'd love to know who told you that a hi-point can only shoot 3000-5000 rounds. Unless the company says it; which I've never seen, I'd say your source is full of shiite. Sorry, but hearing it on the internet doesn't mean it's true.
And don't get me wrong. My hi-point C-9 is definitely not my favorite gun. In all honesty, my SigSauer P220 West German 45acp is my favorite. Yes, it's close to a $1000 gun, but that's not why it's my favorite. My 2nd favorite is my CZ-82 9mm makarov, which is only a $200 gun; which is my carry pistol about 70% of the time. I own a lot of guns. Not as many as I use to, but still quite a few. And I don't mind saying that I have guns that are worth more than $1000.
So why do I like/defend the Hi-point? Because I know that the majority of the money I spend on my Sig, Dan Wesson, Kimber, Springfield, etc... is mainly paying for the name and features. Do I think the hi-point is the same quality as my Sig or Kimber? No, it's not. But everything in life has a bell curve. Once you cross the top of that curve, there is little gained with increased quality. That is usually looks and features. A car that can go 150mph is not that much "Better" or higher quality than a car that can only go 120mph. I own/owned a corvette and a porsche. But I also owned a ford focus. Both the focus and the porsche would get me to/from work EQUALLY RELIABLY. One might be more comfortable. One might be faster. One might impress people more. But the porsche did NOT get me any place MORE RELIABLY.
Same with the hi-point pistols. They may not look as "Cool" as the kimber or sig, but it WILL RELIABLY defend me against an intruder the same as the kimber or sig. Just like the Focus did not have a greater chance of breaking down than the corvette; neither does my c-9 hi-point over my Kimber.
The hi-point has some uses that are better suited for it, than a $1000 gun. I'm not bringing my sig on a camping trip. Matter of fact, I'll probably wear my S&W Model 13-1 357 magnum revolver. But in my backpack, will be the hi-point. When I'm working on my friend's ranch or helping haul stuff, the Hi-point is in the glove box. I'm not going to carry my kimber, sig, or cz. That's why I like and defend the hi-point. Because it has it's purpose in life. For some, that purpose may simply be in a night stand in their bedroom. That's cool too.
Bottom line: There isn't one gun out there that is BETTER than the hi-point because of it's price. That's pretty much a given. Now, not counting individual weapons, (Because I can find plenty of accounts where some people say glocks always broke on them; or Sig always broke on them; or H&K always broke on them; etc...); not counting individual weapons, I challenge someone to find a hi-point forum where there's a lot of hi-point users, and find the multitude of threads where people are having problems with their hi-points. The threads don't exist. The reliability factor of the hi-point, for it's purpose, is just as good as most every other "High Quality" weapon out there. And those who disagree are usually just rationalizing that they spent $500 on a gun, or they truly have no idea what they're talking about.
mljdeckard
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In a word, no, there's nothing wrong with them. They will pretty much do what they are supposed to.
Doesn't mean they are pretty, ergonomic, or smooth-functioning either. They have the huge slide because they are blowback operated where other autos have a locking action.
Do what you want, but when you shoot them, you will see what you are missing.
Doesn't mean they are pretty, ergonomic, or smooth-functioning either. They have the huge slide because they are blowback operated where other autos have a locking action.
Do what you want, but when you shoot them, you will see what you are missing.
Also id like to mention that they may look like a martian power tool, but dammit its a comfy feeling martian power tool. The grip is suprisingly good and actually sadly enough is probably the best fitting handgun ive ever held.
Honestly if you can afford better go for it. If you cant it'll work better than a threating word at the least and at best be a good gun for you.
Most people who own them on here own about 9 better guns and only really use them for fun. Would i depend on it to save my life? Only if a really,really had to but as previously mentioned a ugly and somewhat unwieldly gun beats no gun.
Honestly if you can afford better go for it. If you cant it'll work better than a threating word at the least and at best be a good gun for you.
Most people who own them on here own about 9 better guns and only really use them for fun. Would i depend on it to save my life? Only if a really,really had to but as previously mentioned a ugly and somewhat unwieldly gun beats no gun.
I look at Hi Points as the best option FOR THE PRICE. If you can't afford anything better than a Hi Point, Jennings, Raven, Bryco, etc, then the Hi Point is far and above the best of those.
The carbine they have is an interesting product, too, for much the same reason. It's cheap but it does work. It's the cheapest 9mm carbine you can find.
I'll never own any of the Hi Point products, but at least they generally work and the company will work on them. That's good.
wgaynor
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My ugliest gun is my hi-point c9. It is also the one I shoot most regularly. It works reliably. For those that worry about the name brand or price and won't buy a Hi Point, good for you and thank you for doing that! It keeps the prices low for me! Also, in all honesty, the Glock is just as ugly.
My ugliest gun is my hi-point c9. It is also the one I shoot most regularly. It works reliably. For those that worry about the name brand or price and won't buy a Hi Point, good for you and thank you for doing that! It keeps the prices low for me! Also, in all honesty, the Glock is just as ugly.
KodiakBeer
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For a little more money you can buy a used quality firearm.
W.E.G.
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These threads are the Hi-Point of my day.
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