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So over the years I have read all about the FEG hi-power clones, and if I could find one for the 200-250 they used to run I would jump all over it, knowing that it is not as good as the real thing etc. Back to FEG's, I was looking at the import used FN's over on gunbroker and came across this one http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=375404365

"FEG 9mm Pistol "FAKE FN". Refinished pistol, parked finish. Black plastic grips. 1-10 rnd magazine. " has FN markings on the sides, does not say FEG anywhere, yet still appears to me an actual true HP clone, not one of the modified copies.

Anybody know what is going on with this gun? did FEG ever make something stamped FN? seller has a lot of them, as well as actual FN marked gun being sold as FN's.
 
greyling22, stay away from that one.
Sounds like a worn out HiPower that has been rebuilt with spare parts from various makes & then given a phosphate bath.
For a sweet & reliable HiPower clone, look at the Bulgarian Arcus 84 & 98.
They are priced very low & can still be acquired new in box.
An Argentine FM HiPower is also a winner. Not cheap anymore, but priced lower that A FN made HP.
Good luck.
 
Yes they counterfeited many... Usually L or B prefix in the serial #


No proof marks too..
 
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I don't know about "the real thing" but I picked up a FEG a week or so ago for $350.00. Sure it would have been nice to get one for $200-250.00, but it would be nice got get Model 10's for that price too. I'm not going to hold my breath looking for one though.

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The finish isn't as nice as I would expect on a Browning HP, but it ain't bad. I'll take it for the differene in the price. A Browning HP seems to bring about $800-1000.00.

Just from looking at that picture in the GB add, I wouldn't have paid the "buy it now" price for it.
 
I wouldn't get it, I was just curious. if I was going to spring for one I would look more at this one: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=375736041 actual FN, ambi safety (I'm a lefty) and dual dovetail sights for easy replacement.

And that's my problem with the HP. they're pricey to begin with, and then you have to spend money on sight upgrades, better grips, action work................. you can have a marvelous pistol, but it sure gets expensive quick.
 
greyling22 ....Anybody know what is going on with this gun? did FEG ever make something stamped FN? seller has a lot of them, as well as actual FN marked gun being sold as FN's.
FEG faked markings on any number of handguns if they thought it would improve sales.

They also produced Hi Powers with "Luger" and "Mauser" stamped on them...anything to make a buck off the gullible.:rolleyes:

oldironsights ...For a sweet & reliable HiPower clone, look at the Bulgarian Arcus 84 & 98.
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The Arcus is a Hi Power clone in the same way Phyllis Diller is a clone of Marilyn Monroe.
 
Tom speaks the truth...

It's not a "parts gun", it's an FEG/FN Counterfeit...and they do have a counterfeit ELG "Pineapple" Proof on the right front of the trigger guard.

Generally such counterfeits are considered an "interesting" BHP clone variation, that particular one...due to some real pitting, is NOT IMHO "interesting" ;)
 
The Arcus is a Hi Power clone in the same way Phyllis Diller is a clone of Marilyn Monroe.
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This quote says it all. Everyone is writing about Hi-Power clones in the $200 to $350 range. If they were in fact clones, they would be priced in the same range as the BHPs because they would be identical. To be a clone there has to be more similarities than appearance at 25 yards. If you want a Hi-Power cough up the money and buy a Hi-Power. If you want a $250 gun, buy it and say it sort of looks like Hi-Power, but please don't call it a clone.
 
"The Arcus is a Hi Power clone in the same way Phyllis Diller is a clone of Marilyn Monroe."

So same basic features, but some cosmetic differences.

Jim
 
Just saw a Argentine FM High Power for $450 around my parts.

Has the baked on finish. Still had the magazine disconnecter to.

I'd get it if it was somewhat cheaper. I do have a Browning version already thankfully.

And the "Mauser" version of the P-35 was made by FEG, but Mauser did market them.

Kind of like Sears and Roebuck making 'Revelation' brand 30/30s that were made by Marlin.

Deaf
 
... They also produced Hi Powers with "Luger" and "Mauser" stamped on them...anything to make a buck off the gullible.:rolleyes:
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I had to :rolleyes: at the ignorance displayed in this part of the post. The fact is that FEG manufactured 'Hi Power clones' that were then sent to Mauser and Luger factories for final assembly / fit / finish as the Mauser 80SA and the Luger M80. These pistols have parts that are interchangeable with a real Hi Power such as the ones manufactured by FN, who sometimes put the Browning name on the pistol to try to make a buck for both companies by selling them to the gullible saps over here in the states. As I understand it, Browning itself has never made a real Hi Power.
 
I have an FEG the I got for less than $200 in a kinfolk deal some years ago. Definitely not a Browning, but it's a decent gun for what it is. The thing is scary accurate and the trigger is usable with the mag disconnect removed. I have seen a few recent at my LGS for 350 ish. If you could find the PJK-9HP version for a price you like, get it.
 
A Brief History Lesson

Quote il.Bil: As I understand it, Browning itself has never made a real Hi Power.

This is basically a true statement. The Hi-Power was not named for the company, but named for the designer; John Browning who died in 1926 while designing the Hi-Power for Fabrique Nationale de Hertsal (FN) under a licensing agreement. Dieudome Savie a designer for FN completed the design of the Hi-Power and production began in 1935 in their factory in Liege, Belgium. An interesting footnote to this is that Browning Arms was formed in 1927, a year after John Browning's death. FN acquired Browning Arms in 1977, so in some regards, the circle keeps spinning.
 
il.bill
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... They also produced Hi Powers with "Luger" and "Mauser" stamped on them...anything to make a buck off the gullible.
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I had to at the ignorance displayed in this part of the post. The fact is that FEG manufactured 'Hi Power clones' that were then sent to Mauser and Luger factories for final assembly / fit / finish as the Mauser 80SA and the Luger M80. These pistols have parts that are interchangeable with a real Hi Power such as the ones manufactured by FN, who sometimes put the Browning name on the pistol to try to make a buck for both companies by selling them to the gullible saps over here in the states. As I understand it, Browning itself has never made a real Hi Power.
Ignorance is thinking there is a Luger factory.:rolleyes:
Your "facts' aren't.;) Spend two minutes Googling and you discover how misinformed you are.

It is well known among Hi Power fanboys that the "Browning Arms' rollmark on a genuine Hi Power is simply the importers mark......required by Federal law.

Browning Arms has NEVER manufactured a single firearm. They are a marketing company that imports firearms from several manufacturers, historically the majority were from FN.
 
greyling22, stay away from that one.
Sounds like a worn out HiPower that has been rebuilt with spare parts from various makes & then given a phosphate bath.
For a sweet & reliable HiPower clone, look at the Bulgarian Arcus 84 & 98.
They are priced very low & can still be acquired new in box.
An Argentine FM HiPower is also a winner. Not cheap anymore, but priced lower that A FN made HP.
Good luck.
Agreed. I nearly bought one of these in the past week (the 98 DA). There is a really good article on them here:
http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_Arcus.htm

it should be pointed out, however, that these are evidently Hi-Power inspired, but not really Hi-Power clones.
 
Ignorance is thinking there is a Luger factory.:rolleyes:
Your "facts' aren't.;) Spend two minutes Googling and you discover how misinformed you are.

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Ouch!

I guess I was safe to refer to a Mauser 'factory', but I should have specified the 'assembly, fit, and finish facilities' of the European holder (unknown to me) of the "Luger" trademark (I believe the American holder of the "Luger" trademark since some time after WW I was A.F. Stoeger, but that company did not import any 'Luger' branded Hi Power pistols - as far as I know).

I like FEG Hi Powers(sic). However, I never understood how they got away with counterfeiting some of them with "FN" rollmarks. Maybe Hungarian commies played by different rules - perhaps I could do the google sometime to see what the internet has to say about that.

My less than accurate post has been corrected and clarified by others more knowledgeable, and for that I thank you all. I just felt a bit offended by what I perceived as a little snarkiness in part of tom's post #6. I did appreciate the quite apt Phyllis Diller-Marilyn Monroe analogy. May I have permission to add that to my own repertoire of pithy remarks?
 
il.bill .....I guess I was safe to refer to a Mauser 'factory', but I should have specified the 'assembly, fit, and finish facilities' of the European holder (unknown to me) of the "Luger" trademark (I believe the American holder of the "Luger" trademark since some time after WW I was A.F. Stoeger, but that company did not import any 'Luger' branded Hi Power pistols - as far as I know).
Final "assembly, fit and finish" was done at FEG.....and you can tell from the beautiful polished blue.



I like FEG Hi Powers(sic). However, I never understood how they got away with counterfeiting some of them with "FN" rollmarks. Maybe Hungarian commies played by different rules
You have to get caught first...........just as FM (Fabrica Militar of Argentina) got caught putting "FN Browning" on their FM copies......AFTER their license with FN expired. It was done to take advantage of the FN and Browning name. FN threatened legal action and FM stopped doing it.



....I just felt a bit offended by what I perceived as a little snarkiness in part of tom's post #6. I did appreciate the quite apt Phyllis Diller-Marilyn Monroe analogy.
Why be offended? The FEG copies are my favorite behind genuine FN. They are typically beautiful pistols that are worth every penny.

Any "snarkiness" you perceived was directed at the idea the Arcus is a Hi Power clone......and it isn't.



May I have permission to add that to my own repertoire of pithy remarks?
Sorry, its a licensed pithy remark by Dogtown Tom. ;)
 
I still remember the FEG with authentic looking Mauser banner.
I would have bought it, the price was not bad, but I realized that I would want to SHOOT it and the miniature sights and safety would have had to be replaced, putting the cost out of the novelty range.
 
Any "snarkiness" you perceived was directed at the idea the Arcus is a Hi Power clone......and it isn't.

Well, the 98 isn't. The 94 will take High-Power parts. My 94's ejector is even still shaped for the High-Power's frame instead of matching it's own outline.
 
While the Arcus may be influenced by the Hi Power it has enough "cosmetic embellishments" that it cannot be considered a clone (clone being an exact copy). Whether it can interchange internals does not make the Arcus a clone.

The squared trigger guard and angled relief cuts of the slide are not design elements of any factory Hi Power.
 
I have a FEG and a Canadian made Inglis Hi-Power.
Both are decent pistols.
I have found the Hungarian made guns to be very much like the Philippine made clones of the 1911A1
The basic package is sound but they can stand some internal parts replacement if you expect the gun to last for any length of time.
 
I have used both an FEG and an FM version of what I consider to be a copy of a Hi-Power; not really a clone per se. Semantics aside, the FEG did have some product improvements like better high visibility sights and a larger, more ergonomic thumb safety. The FM model was a great deal rougher (with a heavy, gritty trigger that rivaled a T series Hi-Power I use to have), and much more cosmetically challenged than the matte finished Browning Hi-Powers but still was a very serviceable and dependable gun.
 
I have the........

......second SA configuration of the FEG Hi Power. I shoot it as well as my buddies Browning. It's close enough to a Browning/FN that I could fit a Sprinco buffer to it. Gotta do a lot of research on your FEG to do this since Sprinco warns not to order one. For me it was easy, just changed out my buddies recoil spring to see if it worked.:D I'm so glad he bought that!

I found the internals to be a bit rougher than his but it works well for me. I want to get it hard chromed eventually.
 
I just dropped by to take a gander at this and whew the comments!

I must say I am shocked no one called the post WWII FN GPs "clones" of the pre war models they way things are going.

Those later guns with roll pin firing pin retention and hammer spurs instead of knurled ring hammers and flat wooden checkered grips are after all not REALLY FN High Powers.

Just teasing.

I would dearly love to have a decent condition Iglis with the ranging rear sight and drift front sight and hey, those were clone's as well!

-kBob
 
The Inglis really is a "Clone" of the FN Hi-Power!
A handful of drawings and some assistance from England and Designers from FN got the gun into Canadian production but not without a whole lot of teething issues.
By the time this one was cranked out in late 1944 they had all the bobbles ironed out.
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In contrast, the Hungarian FEG isn't a "Clone", it is a reverse engineered copy which has seen its own teething issues and a product improvement program that continued throughout production.
By the time this one came off the line, they too had most issues worked out but production was also on the vege of ending.
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The Hungarians never did come up to standards on internal components, The small parts metallurgy is just sufficient, but the large components are quite well mastered and in some ways better than the original, i.e. beefier dimensions where needed and very good chrome lined barrels.
Mine looks like a 1973 series Hi-Power because I replaced all the internals with FN parts.
FEG produced some pistols with spur hammers, most came with ring hammers as did mine, probably so because ring hammers are considered in military circles as easier to decock than the spur type hammer.
I have found the spur hammer eliminates the nasty habit Hi-Powers have of biting their uers so I installed one on my gun.
The slide stop is a Hungarian modification designed to eliminate slide wear and slide stop failure.
The smaller slide stop notch on the slide is a bonus that virtually eliminates slide peening and cracking in that area which is fairly common on well used Hi-Powers.
The Hungarian short slide stop set up is not compatible with the FN long style slide stop nor can it be replaced with an FN long style slide stop unless the slide is also replaced at the same time with the larger slide stop cut out type.
Not recommended due to cost issues, however, the short slide stop can be fitted and made to work on FN style pistols with fair results.
An extended safety was added, I hated it and returned to the small FN style.
The sights on this pistol are way better than a 1973 original.
The original magazines are just barely useable, replace them with FN or Mec-Gar.
I paid $250 for this pistol and spent another hundred and a half getting it sorted out.
I did an identical pistol for a friend of mine at the same time.
It isn't really necessary to do the work I did on the gun.
For most shooters these pistols will run fine as is unless you intend to run loads of ammo through the gun or you want to make sure it is just as functional a hundred years from now,,,
 
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