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  1. Waveski

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    I would like to know the practical differences between the FN Hi Power and the very similar FEG Hi Power. I think that the FN has a rib on the slide , which may aid in pointing , and there appears to be slightly different front sights. Beyond that ...?

    Bottom line - is the FEG inferior to the FN?

    Input will be appreciated.
     
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  2. troy fairweather

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    My dad has had a few fegs and hipowers he does not seem to mind either.
     
  3. DocRock

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    The early FEGs were exact clones of the FN HiPower, albeit less well finished. Later models have differences to the barrel, barrel linkage and slide stop that differ from the HiPower. They seem to be good value for money.
     
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  4. WVsig

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    It is like my underwear... Depends. :eek:

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  5. tipoc

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    This review of both a FEG PJK-9HP and a Hi-power that I wrote a few years back on another site may be of some help.

    https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=446348

    Keep in mind that over the years there have been changes made in the FN made Hi-Powers. Not all have a raised rib.

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  6. mgmorden

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    The "other" FEG that they're talking about is the later model P9RK. That one was made to externally RESEMBLE the Hi Power (sort of), but basically shares very little in common with it mechanically. Its a completely different gun that from my understanding is mechanically a lot closer to a 3rd gen S&W. Easiest way to tell is to look at the safety - if it's on the slide, then it's the P9RK.

    If it's the "original" one though, then as others have said it's basically just a Hi Power clone. For me personally, FN is the "real" Hi Power of legend. Others can make them but if you want any level of collectability then go FN. If it's just to shoot, I'd actually say to go for one of the Tisas clones. They're available brand new, priced very reasonably, and are available in stainless if that floats your boat. If you find a FEG at a good price though then they do have a reputation for generally shooting fine.
     
  7. Waveski

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    tipoc -

    Nicely done , thank you.
     
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    Where is the "Don't Like" button?
     
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    Let me add another inquiry-

    I have read conflicting reports and reviews about the Hi Power's ability to cycle hollow point sd type ammunition. Can anyone share their experience with that ?
     
  10. HankC

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    FEG PJK-9HP is the version compatible with FN BHP. Recognized by the oval cross pin visible at the right side. I have one in polished blue, great shooter and the finish/bluing is very nice. Trigger is decent after the mag safety removed. Newer FEGs may look alike but have different internal mechanism.
     
  11. troy fairweather

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    Think that has a lot to do with cheap aftermarket mags.
     
  12. Tallball

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    I got a nearly new FEG Hi Power clone at a gun show in the late 1980's. It was a good shooter when I got it, and it still is. It's given me no problems. The blueing is nice and has held up well. I don't think I've ever shot hollow points through it. If I did, I've forgotten about it. It seems to like all varieties of 9mm just fine.

    Please forgive the poor quality picture.

     
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    I like the fegs with the rib.

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  14. Lucky Derby

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    Actually no. Early HPs have a slight"bump" on the feed ramp. Not a problem with FMJ or other similar profile bullets. HPs didn't exist when the Hi Power was designed, so it wasn't a problem. Somewhere along the way, FN changed the ramp. I think it was in the 1970s, but I could have that wrong.
    Also, the rib on the slide is only the Mark II Hi Power.
     
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    My FEG clone (a true clone, not the S&W 39 action one) will not feed hollowpoints of any kind. Won’t even feed the first round into the chamber.

    It’s not a “cheap mag thing”. They all lock up on the feed ramp.

    And no, FEG made a variant with a prominent vent rib too. It was called the FP-9. Odd, but some seem to really like it.
     
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    I did see a knock off Browning HiPower that I think was FEG that had an accidental discharge. It was during an IDPA match at what is now called the Escambia River Gun Club in Escambia County, FL. The gun was in its holster and it discharged when the safety was manipulated as I understood the story. I was there when the gun went off about 100 ft away. The person with the gun in the holster was not hurt. The people running the Match did verity that the gun was defective.
    I have no idea why a browning hipower while in a holster could go off when the trigger was not pulled. Anyway that has made a little leery of of such guns and I anyway always verify the correct functioning of the fire control group of any gun that I acquire relative to safe functoning.
     
  17. Waveski

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    Glad that is clarified , thanks.
     
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    My buddy has one, when he bought it the trigger axle pin would walk out of the frame. We machined it for a tiny c-clip- problem fixed.
    The mags that came with it would not lock the slide open on the last shot. Factory FN mags worked perfectly.

    Overall it is a nice gun. Every bit as accurate as my FN. Both of ours feed HP fine.
     
  19. FL-NC

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    All I can offer on the matter is that I bought a FEG in '88 as a present to myself after graduating SF training- first auto I ever owned, but I got rid of it after an incident (I was not at fault- but being superstitious, I considered the gun "bad luck" afterwards). Also, the unit I worked with in Panama in 2004 used the FEG HP clone as their standard sidearm- the soldados that used them were fairly competent with them, and I don't recall any issues with the FEGs.
     
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  20. Lucky Derby

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    My comment about only the Mark II HPs being the only ones with a rib was referring only to actual FN produced guns, and did not include the clones. Sorry for the confusion.
     
  21. WVsig

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    The bottom line answer is it depends on the gun you are looking at. Some FEGs will be better than some FN/Browning Hi Powers but some FN/Browning Hi Powers will be superior to FEGs. I look at it this way. You have a friend and he hands you 2 BHPs. One is a blued FEG clone that looks like this.

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    The other is a T series Browning that looks like this.

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    He then says take your pick? The money equation is taking out of the picture. You are looking objectively at 2 free pistols and you can only choose one. What criteria are you going to use to pick one over the other? For me it is about quality of materials, fit, finish and function. For me personally when looking at similarly specd guns I have always chosen the FN/Browning.

    It is not that FEG clones are bad but I personally could never justify the small savings overall. The original FEG clone were made in the 1970 and were a very good copy of the original. They made a true and faithful copy. They IIRC reverse engineered the gun. These were T series copies. They had the small safety, ring, hammer and half moon sights. In the 1980s and then again in the 1990s FEG made clones which were imported by a lot of people.
    Kassnar, KBI, etc.... The Charles Daley version was built on FEG parts assembled by Dan Wesson or Magnum Research.

    Over the years quality and configuration varied but for the most part they are considered one of the better truer to the original design clones on the market. Some examples have really nice bluing. One of the big detractors for me is the rollmarks on the later pistols. The billboard style of the rollmarks is a big detractor from the elegance of the pistol. IIRC all parts interchange with FN/Browning and aftermarket parts. These used to be a bargain. They sold in the used market for $200-$400 and represented strong value. They don't anymore IMHO.

    Still if I was going to buy a clone it would be a FEG or a FM which were made in Argentina originally under lic. I would avoid the new Tisas like the plague. As more and more have gotten into the hands of more dedicated higher round count shooters their flaws are becoming more common and they only have a 1 year warranty and are refusing to repair or replace parts that are know to be defective like extractors after 1 year of ownership.

    Back to the OP question if you have the money and you know where to look and what to look for you can get a real BHP from FN/Browning for what you will pay for a FEG clone these days. It might be a little rough in the finish department but that is correctable. It also makes a better platform for a custom build and will hold its value as a custom gun better than a FEG will if that is a consideration. For a higher round count long term shooter I would always go FN/Browning but if you just want to add a BHP to the stable. Shoot it every now and then and leave it stock a FEG most likely will fit the bill as long as you can live with the billboard rollmark. The only clone I would do a custom build on is a FM Detective because they are the only ones you will find.
     
  22. WVsig

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    This has nothing to do with mags. It is the humped feed ramp in the older barrel as others have already stated. A good BHP smith can remove the hump for you easily and it should fire JHP just like any other gun.

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    Reference the Hi Powers feeding JHP, I've owned a succession of Hi Powers since the '60s, I had one T-series many years ago that required some break in before it fed reliably with JHPs. The others I've had since with the humped feed ramps just worked with RN ball, flat point ball, JHPs, whatever. This includes a ratty old INGLIS and 1950ish internal extractor Hi Power, that certainly weren't designed with JHPs in mind. Also have BarSto HP barrel, with a similar style feed ramp, that reliably feeds JHPs. I never bothered to have any feed ramps straightened or modified to feed JHPs. Still have one T-series gun with the stock feed ramp. I don't recall any malfunctions with JHPs or any other type ammo, Just one long time Hi Power owner's experience. I realize, YMMV.
     
  24. WVsig

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    Yes I too have had older BHPs that feed JHP fine but only one I have had that did not were the old humped feed ramp barrel.I have never had a straight feed ramp BHP give me trouble.
     
  25. Waveski

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    WV - Excellent! I read reference to the hump ramp but did not know what that meant - till now.

    My situation is - I recently acquired an Israeli HP from Mach1. I was so pleased with it that I decided to acquire another HP , and was considering an affordable FEG. I have decided to go for another FN , with the features of the first one - thinking "not broke so don't fix it". I want the rib because I believe that it is one of the details that factor into ease of pointing. I want the recess in the front sight because it holds a bead of bright paint so well.I do not want to depart from any details of the pistol I just got , and I posted an image of a shooting result from today to illustrate why. Also , after reading about the hump and seeing the comparison I checked my barrel - no hump.
    The target was from just 9 yards , free standing. I was in a hurry , shot 3 individual 5 round groups. I am pleased that there are just 3 holes in the sheet metal target (2 doubles).
    The HP points better for me than anything else I have shot. I am really glad that the surplus FNs are up for grabs at an attainable price.

    Input is very much appreciated.
     

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