Hickok45 Removed From Youtube

[psyopspec]

@ Agent Ohio Gun Guy

You're a credit to the force, cracking the case wide open. Obama definitely took down a Youtube channel this morning. Well done.

 

[Traffer]

I don't know if this comment will be allowed here but here goes:
It is my belief that (as a pc tech) the information gathered on everyone who uses the internet can and is being monitored and analyzed. To a great degree. The several billion dollar new server complex that was built a few years ago can store every bit of internet communication to be analyzed and scrutinized. The government along with the major players in the internet have been building the ability to just shut down and confiscate or change the whole playing field in a heartbeat. Leaving the country (even the world) with our jaws on the floor. This is an example of their power being used a bit prematurely. Pay attention to this folks. I am afraid that someday we will lament the good ol days when we could own guns and even have conversations about it. To the moderators, I am sorry if this violates your rules. If it does I wont attempt it again.

 

[Sam1911]

What's embarrassing is the apologists on our side.

When obama was running for president, many here said he cant / wont do anything with guns...

We'll here we are. He's making very dubious executive actions (Not just in regards to 2A), and "We" just keep taking it. Why.... Because they havent outright banned them YET. One more step, just one more, then another....

Yes, here we are...with him weeping at a press conference over the fact that he hasn't been able to do ONE DAMNED THING in 8 years to make gun control happen.

But that isn't the point of this thread.

YES the federal government exerts pressure on groups to influence their policies. Is there a memo telling them to take down Hickok45.... NO, but they use the Agencies of this government to make it clear that you need to care what they think and what you do or you'll run the risk of a costly run in with one of the many agencies... EPA, ATF, IRS....

So ... YouTube is being threatened by the EPA, IRS, and ATF to restrict the content of their users' videos. You realize there's more gun content on the 'net now than there was last year, and tons more than the year before, and mountains more than 5 years ago, and so on?

If the government is trying to stifle pro-gun speech, they're doing a TERRIBLE job of it.


They gotta pay those EPA guys a lot more and tell them to work harder pressuring YouTube. Sure isn't working yet...!

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Yeah, Because that's anything even close to what I said.....

Bye

 

[200Apples]

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Hickok45 was the only reason I ever went to Youtube.

Ditto that Bro, and I don't face or twit either.

Yes sirs. Pretty much the only reason I will deliberately seek out You Tube is for hickok45's wholesome, family-friendly firearms videos. His personality, his dry sense of humor, his shooting ability and the rural back 40 setting are a comfort in this day and age.
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[dotnetrob]

Hopefully it will be restored if not, hoping he moves to full30.com

 

[ADKWOODSMAN]

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Hickok45 was the only reason I ever went to Youtube.
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Ditto that Bro, and I don't face or twit either.


Ditto

 

[Grmlin]

Well so much for this being The High Road, when people with their own opinions are belittled because it doesn't meet with others.
The last time I put a swear word in a comment I got a warning, I guess only certain people can get away with that.
This is why I prefer GRM.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Sorry, the bothers me:

Some specific examples:

IRS, Targeting of Conservative Groups
EPA – Closure of Lead Smelting, Closure Coal Generators
ATF – Redefinition of “In the Business”, Stag Arms, Fast & Furious,


Also, your only responses were to the straw men you created, not to comments I made. Trolling by a Moderator?

 

[psyopspec]

@Grmlin

Well so much for this being The High Road, when people with their own opinions are belittled because it doesn't meet with others.

People are welcome to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Conflating the two shouldn't come with special safe space protections.

@Ohio Gun Guy

Sorry, the bothers me:

Some specific examples:

IRS, Targeting of Conservative Groups
EPA – Closure of Lead Smelting, Closure Coal Generators
ATF – Redefinition of “In the Business”, Stag Arms, Fast & Furious,

What, specifically, do these have to do with hickok45?

 

[Tommygunn]

Wow, this is like the third time I've posted almost the same thing today...


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Where does this kind of stuff come from? Is there a dumb joke I'm not getting?

The FEDS enforce YouTube's policies now? He's posting about the issue on Facebook and talking to his fans, but he's in federal custody?

We are not our own worst enemy, but some of the vacuous things we post, right out loud for all to see, are just embarrassing. Nope, no paranoid anti-government gun nut kooks here!

Sam, while I don't think that the dotgov is "enforcing" any policy on YouTube, I do think that very often, organizations will often go along with a philosophy or agenda that the government clearly endorses in order to "go along to get along." This is especially so when the aforesaid "organization" (in this case YouTube) is in agreement with the government agenda.

If the government is trying to stifle pro-gun speech, they're doing a TERRIBLE job of it.

Well, yeah .... except for YouTube.
No, seriously, they ARE doing a "terrible" job of it. They ALSO did a TERRIBLE job enacting Obamacare, and a TERRIBLE job with the tax code, and ....is there ANYTHING they DOn'T do a terrible job with?
THAT list might be shorter ......

 

[200Apples]

Well so much for this being The High Road, when people with their own opinions are belittled because it doesn't meet with others.

You sound like you misunderstand the point of The High Road:

HSO

TheHighRoad exists to provide a higher grade of discussion than is found on some other gun forums so antis and undecideds can see that gun owners and RKBA advocates are not the reckless misanthropes* they tell everyone we are.

*misanthrope: a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.

psyopspec

People are welcome to their own opinions, but not their own facts. Conflating the two shouldn't come with special safe space protections.

Hah! True that.


*...and for the record, I am only mildly predisposed to misanthropy... it's called instead, "curmudgeon". Hee!

 

[OilyPablo]

One fact : Google+ is a stinking mess. I had to abandon one of my company's channels because Google wouldn't help me.

 

[Sam1911]

Sam, while I don't think that the dotgov is "enforcing" any policy on YouTube, I do think that very often, organizations will often go along with a philosophy or agenda that the government clearly endorses in order to "go along to get along." This is especially so when the aforesaid "organization" (in this case YouTube) is in agreement with the government agenda.

Ok, but it doesn't have anything to do with this case -- unless you have any shred of evidence to the contrary.

Want to talk after nutnfancy, MAC, Forgotten Weapons, FRS, etc., etc., etc. are also shut off?

 

[Sam1911]

Some specific examples?

IRS, Targeting of Conservative Groups

Ok. Not related to YouTube.

EPA – Closure of Lead Smelting,

Proved to be a false, non-issue. And not related to YouTube or Hickock45

Closure Coal Generators

You have coal-fired guns?

ATF – Redefinition of “In the Business”,

Except, they DIDN'T. Read the document released, not what CNN or MSNBC is saying.

Stag Arms

Few details yet, but 3,000 blatant violations does not indicate the ATF is doing their job wrong. "Our" guys can totally screw up TOO.

Fast & Furious

Yeah.... but...again...YouTube? Hickock45?

Also, your only responses were to the straw men you created, not to comments I made. Trolling by a Moderator?

Oy vey.

 

[Sam1911]

Well so much for this being The High Road, when people with their own opinions are belittled because it doesn't meet with others.

Not "opinions."

"I don't like vanilla ice cream" is an opinion. "Folks, This demonstrates the amount of control the government is increasingly getting over media and social media!" is not an opinion statement. It's simply a wild accusation that carries no credibility at all, and reflects poorly on all of us here. Especially if left unchallenged.

The last time I put a swear word in a comment I got a warning, I guess only certain people can get away with that.

If I've used a word that violates our policies I am unaware of it. "Damn" or "damned" does not, and is not censored here.

This is why I prefer GRM.

Ok, then.

 

[Dain Bramage]

Yes, here we are...with him weeping at a press conference over the fact that he hasn't been able to do ONE DAMNED THING in 8 years to make gun control happen.

Sam, you naysay the people warning about President Obama, and make it sound like there are no consequences to voting liberal, Democrat politicians into office. Perhaps we should vote in Hillary Clinton as president. Can't hurt, right?

 

[Sam1911]

Yup. That's just what I said. You really read between the lines, there.




I also said beer is gross, rock music is the work of the devil, and that you should wear your underwear outside your pants. But you've got to read even deeper to pick up on the hidden messages like that.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Again youre asking me to defend a position you made,

I didn't directly link this to youtube. I was making the examples of Indirect (No memo) pressure from the federal government that does influence policies in the private sector/s. I specifically went through the trouble to say (Not all 2A)

I find it ironic that as a moderator you chose to engage in this way. I made a statement of my opinion (I will say fact, but you can argue that). You responded with calling me, and others Embarrassing. Every statement you've made has been a false restatement of my position and followed by criticism of that false position (Straw man).

 

[psyopspec]

Yeah Sam, your failure to acknowledge wild hyperbole as if it were credible fact is a direct endorsement of Communism, child slavery, and talking at the movies.

How dare you.

 

[Sam1911]

More seriously, I would never nay-say anyone who is advising that we should vote against anti-gun politicians, resist and fight against laws that restrict firearms ownership, support pro-gun people and organizations, call, write, and email legislators, evangelize RKBA everywhere we go, and so forth. And I will try to understand and try to help explain how laws and government and politics work so that we can be effective in our fight and stop wasting breath and emotion and effort on pointless misinformation.

So yeah, I will naysay the heck out of any unfocused, unfounded, helpless, useless, non-credible, blatantly paranoid ranting I find here. Why? Because it is actively harmful.

 

[Warp]

Sam1911...I wish I could clone you and insert you on several other forums.


I suspect his channel will be back up within a day.

 

[Sam1911]

Again youre asking me to defend a position you made,

I didn't directly link this to youtube.

What in the world? Huh?

This thread is about Hickock45's content being taken down off of YouTube. That is WHAT we are TALKING about.

And your first contribution was...

Folks, This demonstrates the amount of control the government is increasingly getting over media and social media!

This is not what Freedom loving governments do!

And now you tell me that it wasn't meant to be directly related to the subject of Hickock45 being removed from YouTube?

Did you post in the wrong thread? If so, I understand the confusion and I'd be happy to move your posts to the thread and subject you meant to be responding to.

 

[Midwest]

Whatever the case with YouTube, why can't we start a gun oriented video site. Call it GunTube or GunView? No, I do not know the logistics or the cost of putting up such a site. But it might be worth taking a look at. Someone with much more knowledge and experience than me could explain why we can or can't start a site like that. If we could put up a pro-gun video site, at least we won't be at the mercy of Google, YouTube or whatever company or agency wants to delete videos.
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[wild cat mccane]

A lot of hypocrisy in here on the assumption that Google is shutting out the gun community.

A business such as google has all the freedom in America to do such an assumed action. People are trying to have freedom their way and complaining when it is free.