"High-And-Tight" Haircuts On Cops
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Marko Kloos
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I have no issue with buzzcuts on LEOs. They make sense for the same reason why short hair on a soldier makes sense. It has nothing to do with ease of maintenance.
If you're in a profession that may include hand-to-hand social interaction, something that cops without a doubt do much more often than soldiers, it is beneficial to have hair just short enough so it cannot be grabbed.
If you're in a profession that may include hand-to-hand social interaction, something that cops without a doubt do much more often than soldiers, it is beneficial to have hair just short enough so it cannot be grabbed.
Sean Smith
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Yep.
By the way, tell that guy Kee to go
himself. Tea tastes terrible when Riced. 
Chris Rhines
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If a police officer is actively involved in rooting out corruption and brutality in his department, declining to arrest citizens for consensual non-crimes, and in general taking seriously his oath to the Constitution, then for all I care he can have all the buzz-cuts, black BDUs, and silver Oakley Factory Pilots his Visa card can handle.
Police officers who aren't doing these things should be made to wear pink tutus and carry water pistols.
- Chris
Police officers who aren't doing these things should be made to wear pink tutus and carry water pistols.
- Chris
TheeBadOne
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I think you left out activly involved in crime prevention patroling and actively arresting criminals...
Chris Rhines
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Yup. Crime prevention and arresting criminals are secondary; the primary role of law enforcement is to prevent the violation of our rights. First step in that is for the police to not be violating people's rights themselves.
- Chris
TheeBadOne
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I believe that will actually fall under the Courts (remember where Miranda came from). The Police are part of the Executive branch.
labgrade
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I'd disagree, thebadone, in that I'd suggest that the po-pos are part of the judicial branch ... you don't even get pass that indenty till going through the po-pos ....
+Miranda doesn't protect you, it protects the po-po from falling into a "conversational trap" of allowing you to talk too much - just helps with their own case against you.
+Miranda doesn't protect you, it protects the po-po from falling into a "conversational trap" of allowing you to talk too much - just helps with their own case against you.
Gocart
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Maimaktes,
I'm going to assume that you and the rest of us are pissed off by those who misjudge our motives for going armed. You know, the "with all those handguns, no one is safe because gunfights will break out over trivial things...." mentality. You and I both know they are wrong and unreasonable.
When you post, "I guess it's [the pseudo-military look] supposed to intimidate us all." I feel that you are judging my motives just as the antis incorrectly judge the motives of CCWers.
I think you are wrong.
I'm going to assume that you and the rest of us are pissed off by those who misjudge our motives for going armed. You know, the "with all those handguns, no one is safe because gunfights will break out over trivial things...." mentality. You and I both know they are wrong and unreasonable.
When you post, "I guess it's [the pseudo-military look] supposed to intimidate us all." I feel that you are judging my motives just as the antis incorrectly judge the motives of CCWers.
I think you are wrong.
TheeBadOne
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Legislative -the Law makers
Executive -the Police
Judicial -the Courts
This was set up the the US Constitution, and nothing has changed it. Cops don't pass laws, and it matters not what they think as far as a personal interpretation of a law, the courts decide what a law means either through case law or direct ruling. If an individual Officer charges someone with Reckless driving for 56 mph in a 55 mph zone because in his mind speeding is as absolutely reckless as you can be, do you really think the court is not going to toss that in a millisecond and the Officer fried for his incredibly poor (stupid) judgment?
All the best
labgrade
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Whatever.
Cops wanna be "high 'n tight?" I could care less except for the attitude projected by those same types who seem to like the cut.
"High 'n Tight?" folks better just watch their a$$ - solely due to their attitudes which they seem to project - towards us.
This same haircut design also seems to go along with a Nazi mentality = "we own you!"
Far as I'm concerned, the H'NT haircut on a po-po describes an immediate thought transition to a Nazi-type & I'll legally & willingly obstruct whenever possible.
Y'all wanna be "part of the fold?" Then just act, & look, like it.
Buncha "brown-shirts" doesn't garner anything other than disdain 'round these parts.
Y'all are supposed to be somewhat of a reflection of what our society is supposed to be - aren't you?
Take it for what it's worth - or not. I'd assume the latter, from some posts.
& another FWIW - a joke.
Seems this older guy was sitting at a bar. He noticed a way younger fellow with hair that approached that of Tune Town = spiked-out, & colored green, red & blue.
The younger gent finally got a bit incensed with the visual attention & approached the older.
"What's your problem, pops!"
"No matter, son." the elder replied. "But once in the M'rines, in Singapore, I once made love to a parrot & though you might be my son."
Perspectives, please.
Cops wanna be "high 'n tight?" I could care less except for the attitude projected by those same types who seem to like the cut.
"High 'n Tight?" folks better just watch their a$$ - solely due to their attitudes which they seem to project - towards us.
This same haircut design also seems to go along with a Nazi mentality = "we own you!"
Far as I'm concerned, the H'NT haircut on a po-po describes an immediate thought transition to a Nazi-type & I'll legally & willingly obstruct whenever possible.
Y'all wanna be "part of the fold?" Then just act, & look, like it.
Buncha "brown-shirts" doesn't garner anything other than disdain 'round these parts.
Y'all are supposed to be somewhat of a reflection of what our society is supposed to be - aren't you?
Take it for what it's worth - or not. I'd assume the latter, from some posts.
& another FWIW - a joke.
Seems this older guy was sitting at a bar. He noticed a way younger fellow with hair that approached that of Tune Town = spiked-out, & colored green, red & blue.
The younger gent finally got a bit incensed with the visual attention & approached the older.
"What's your problem, pops!"
"No matter, son." the elder replied. "But once in the M'rines, in Singapore, I once made love to a parrot & though you might be my son."
Perspectives, please.
Chris Rhines
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Doesn't matter. The first duty of any government employee is to defend individual rights. That is the governments whole rationale for existing. As long as the police are doing this, then they can wear and carry anything they want. If they aren't, well...
- Chris
TheeBadOne
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labgrade
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Cross-posts as far as time lines & nothing we can do about that, huh?
anyways ...
"This was set up the the US Constitution, and nothing has changed it (re cops being part of the executive branch)"
I'll have to take a look, frankly, &'ll give you the benefit of the doubt, for the time being, but in my gut, I feel this wrong. Cops should be part of the initial process of the judiciary, methinks. .... anyway .... I'll be back on that.
In the meantime, please provide our "executive branch" sources. I'll do the same forthwith.
"If an individual Officer charges someone with Reckless driving for 56 mph in a 55 mph zone because in his mind speeding is as absolutely reckless as you can be, do you really think the court is not going to toss that in a millisecond and the Officer fried for his incredibly poor (stupid) judgment?"
"Fried," no! but fired, no too. Perhaps only that the po-po wouldn't even attend the trial (attending many useless unpaid hours by the defendant for a silly/nonsensence trial to begin with, BUT showing "who's the boss" for even making the appearance necessay.)
In your scenario, I'd still have to appear (take time off, with all that attends & inconvience myself for an absolutely rediculous charge & frankly, well within the bounds of the speed-controls' calibration absolutes - not to mention the judgement of the cop.) & still waste my time, merely to have it thrown out of court. Doing what I do, it could cost me easily $90/hr.
Travel time, + court time, + having to go through the insane "court security" (an issue in itsef!) only would perpetuate the innanities of the whole process - would only make me distain the po-po, in the first place, & the whole whole "judicial system" further.
So, what's your point?
anyways ...
"This was set up the the US Constitution, and nothing has changed it (re cops being part of the executive branch)"
I'll have to take a look, frankly, &'ll give you the benefit of the doubt, for the time being, but in my gut, I feel this wrong. Cops should be part of the initial process of the judiciary, methinks. .... anyway .... I'll be back on that.
In the meantime, please provide our "executive branch" sources. I'll do the same forthwith.
"If an individual Officer charges someone with Reckless driving for 56 mph in a 55 mph zone because in his mind speeding is as absolutely reckless as you can be, do you really think the court is not going to toss that in a millisecond and the Officer fried for his incredibly poor (stupid) judgment?"
"Fried," no!
but fired, no too. Perhaps only that the po-po wouldn't even attend the trial (attending many useless unpaid hours by the defendant for a silly/nonsensence trial to begin with, BUT showing "who's the boss" for even making the appearance necessay.)In your scenario, I'd still have to appear (take time off, with all that attends & inconvience myself for an absolutely rediculous charge & frankly, well within the bounds of the speed-controls' calibration absolutes - not to mention the judgement of the cop.) & still waste my time, merely to have it thrown out of court. Doing what I do, it could cost me easily $90/hr.
Travel time, + court time, + having to go through the insane "court security" (an issue in itsef!) only would perpetuate the innanities of the whole process - would only make me distain the po-po, in the first place, & the whole whole "judicial system" further.
So, what's your point?
TheeBadOne
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No, actually I really doubt it'd get that far.
1st, a supervisor who reviews the reports would most likely catch it.
failing that
2nd, the Prosecuting Attorny would not file it and dismiss it quicker than it took me to type this.
End result, you'd never have to appear, mail/phone notification of dropped charge would prevent that.
All the best
TheeBadOne
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Simply put, our Political leaders who are both local, state, and federal. From City Council (not the Mayor), to County State & Federal Officials (Congressmen/woman, Governess, Senators).
labgrade
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Think we're starting to drift from the thread's theme, but, no matter, huh?
I had an interesting l'il instance with the local po-po where I was almost shot to death.
Was arrested, property confiscated, took me over $2K to finally plead to an "obstruction" charge - a misdomeaner2, + close to six months finally to get back my property, besides being rousted, hand-cuffed, jailed - not to mention a denial of a call to any lawyer, nor a phone call, nor .....
4X notarlized witnesses that the cops were out of line/had no business whatsoever doing what they did = no matter. DA still insisted upon the charges. Another ~$3K to take it to trial.
"Reviewed by a supervisor, reviewed by the DA, prosecuted by the ??? DA ..." & even the return of property was "until the eagle screams ... "
So don't even give me that BS that "it wouldn't go that far." Been there, done that.
Waiting for the cops are executive branch "decision."
I wuz one, & from all my training, we were part of the judiciary - & that is before the courts get to decide - nothing less.
BTW, my own trist with the system took much longer than to type this .....
I had an interesting l'il instance with the local po-po where I was almost shot to death.
Was arrested, property confiscated, took me over $2K to finally plead to an "obstruction" charge - a misdomeaner2, + close to six months finally to get back my property, besides being rousted, hand-cuffed, jailed - not to mention a denial of a call to any lawyer, nor a phone call, nor .....
4X notarlized witnesses that the cops were out of line/had no business whatsoever doing what they did = no matter. DA still insisted upon the charges. Another ~$3K to take it to trial.
"Reviewed by a supervisor, reviewed by the DA, prosecuted by the ??? DA ..." & even the return of property was "until the eagle screams ... "
So don't even give me that BS that "it wouldn't go that far." Been there, done that.
Waiting for the cops are executive branch "decision."
I wuz one, & from all my training, we were part of the judiciary - & that is before the courts get to decide - nothing less.
BTW, my own trist with the system took much longer than to type this .....
TheeBadOne
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No, you brought matters before the court (infront of). You do not have the ability to find anyone guility, that matter is for the court. If you could fine someone guilty, you would be part of the Judicial branch (but you can't, and you're not).
All the best
labgrade
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& most certainly not part of the executive branch neither.
The "part of the judiciary" I tried to 'plain was that we brought it to them, nothing more.
Certainly not legislative, not (specifically) judiciary, & most certainly, not executive.
The "part of the judiciary" I tried to 'plain was that we brought it to them, nothing more.
Certainly not legislative, not (specifically) judiciary, & most certainly, not executive.
TheeBadOne
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Yes, you were "executing the law". (that's why you brought it to the court).
labgrade
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"Yes, you were "executing the law". (that's why you brought it to the court)."
Which is the (next) starting point for the judiciary.
Which is the (next) starting point for the judiciary.
JPM70535
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It is not the high & tight haircut that offends some people, rather it seems to be the whole aura projected by the new generation of LEOs. Instead of "Officer Friendly" answering calls for service, what shows up most times when 911 is dialed is what I can best describe as a "Storm Trooper", complete with black combat boots, black leather driving gloves,Mirror Sunglasses, bloused trousers (optional), and the H&T hair. If their attitude didn't match their appearance, I'm sure people wouldn't be so intimidated. But in many cases they come rolling up like a SWAT team.
Having been in LE for 20+ yrs. with most of them spent making traffic stops, I found that the opinion most citizens form of an Officer they come in contact with, is set by his appearance first, and attitude second. I can't begin to enumerate the times I had a Citizen complain to me about Officer X and his arrogant attitude and combat appearance.
Just as Hippie braids have no place in the professional fields, and LE qualifies as a Profession, neither does H&T. What makes infinitely more sense is a Businessmans haircut,normal tint glasses, and unless it is freezing, forget the gloves JMHO
Having been in LE for 20+ yrs. with most of them spent making traffic stops, I found that the opinion most citizens form of an Officer they come in contact with, is set by his appearance first, and attitude second. I can't begin to enumerate the times I had a Citizen complain to me about Officer X and his arrogant attitude and combat appearance.
Just as Hippie braids have no place in the professional fields, and LE qualifies as a Profession, neither does H&T. What makes infinitely more sense is a Businessmans haircut,normal tint glasses, and unless it is freezing, forget the gloves JMHO
El Tejon
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Oh, there you go again with your precious Due Process.
If the copper doesn't have short hair, after his first bar fight HE WILL!
If the copper doesn't have short hair, after his first bar fight HE WILL!
Art Eatman
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