High Point firearms

[Mike1234567]

"The people here on THR who speak of the make's reliability are far more likely to actually know how to shoot and handle them, as many of us had a lot of handgun experience before acquiring a Hi-Point. That means we know about proper grip and "limp-wristing."

And yet I HAVEN'T seen those sorts of problems, with everything from Glocks to M1911s to Makarovs.

As I said, it's better than NO gun, but NOT better than a P-1 or a Makarov, and DEFINITELY not even in the same ballpark as the ex-NYPD S&W M&P that I got from R.M. Vivas (WITH HOLSTER) for about the same price. That gun's missing large patches of its finish, is slick as glass and utterly reliable.

We're all saying pretty much the same thing... and arguing about it. All the Hi-Point firearms I had were 100 percent reliable over thousands of rounds. I did have to tweak the feed lips on a couple of the JHP mags but it ran perfectly after that. I also cleaned all the mags that came with the others... but I find that's often necessary with other "better" brands too. I "tired" to make all mine fail with cheap ammo and limp-wristing. They all went bang every single pull of the trigger.

 

[buck460XVR]

We're all saying pretty much the same thing... and arguing about it.

Don't make much sense, eh? Especially since no one is forcing anyone to own one or to not. It's all about freedom of choice and expendable income. Most folks I see buying new Hi-Points are spending a larger percentage of their expendable income of them than those that are buying Les Baers and Wilsons. But those buying the Les Baers and Wilsons tell them they need to save up and cough up some more for a better firearm. Yeah, okay, whatever.

I don't own any Hi-Points, have never shot any, so I don't have a dog in this fight. Yep, they are not the prettiest bird dog out there, but from what I hear, they do hunt.

 

[MagnumDweeb]

My NIB Springfield XDs had multiples jams, failure to feeds, failure to achieve battery for the first few hundred rounds. Then one day it worked right and kept working right. I was determined to get through those first three hundred rounds no matter how much my hands ached and now the gun shoots right.

But over a year ago when my friend bought a High Point .45 NIB, we went to the range the same day without oiling it or anything. We put a Remington 250rd pack box through it and we could hit an 8"x11" piece of paper at twenty yards consistently when shooting five round strings. He's never had a problem with it as far as I know and I like to shoot it for five or ten rounds every time he brings it out.

So they are not pretty guns. But looks like if you get a good one, you've got a great one. If you get a lemon, than use the lifetime warranty and send it back. Easy peasy folks.

I won't snub High Points, I've contemplated getting one many times, I've never just found the love for it. But I think sometime this year I'll break down and get one in .40.

 

[gym]

it's just another firearm, unless you are using it to protect your life, "carrying it ", Then it shouldn't matter if it occasionally doesn't work like a Wilson. It just may get thrown in the back of the truck when you go plinking. I would defer from putting my life on the line using one, but that's just me. They don't all have to be perfect, if they don't serve a life threatening task for you. Maybe you just want a gun in your tackle box that you don't have to worry about getting wet or banged around in case you get bored and want to shoot at a target while your out in the woods.

 

[ch84]

A friend has a .40 carbine with no problems real fun for $350 not bad at all

 

[aarondhgraham]

I own a 995TS Carbine,,,

I own a 995TS Carbine,,,
I bought it purely as a range toy,,,
So I could destroy large appliances with my friends.

I shoot with guys who have multi-thousand dollar AR's,,,
Several of the guys have Beretta Storm carbines,,,
In truth none show more reliability than mine.

In short my carbine performs as well as any rifle out there.

Back in the 60's my Father used to have to defend his Rambler,,,
But like the Hi-point carbine it always fired up,,,
It always went down the road in comfort,,,
But it sure wasn't a chick-magnet.

They are the Mo-Ped's of the gun world,,,
Fun as heck to shoot but you don't want to ever be seen with one.

Aarond

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[texasgun]

I don't get Hi-Point pistols... yes ... they are a few hundred cheaper than a Glock or M&P with vastly superior ergonomics and capacity - but given what ammo costs:

If you cannot afford a used Glock or M&P - how in the world are you going to afford all the ammo you are shooting?

I'd take a used Glock for $300 ANYDAY over a brand new Hi-Point for $170....

Ergonomics: Glock
Capacity: Glock
Aftermarket support: Glock
Accuracy: Glock
Weight: Glock
Holding it's value: Glock
Price: Hi-Point

 

[wgaynor]

texasgun, you'll never get the issue if you keep looking at it from only one perspective. Not everybody uses them for range weapons. Not everybody carries them. Not everybody can afford multiple boxes of ammo. Not everyone has your perspective.

It is a great tool for the purpose it was made. to provide option for those who either cannot afford anything else or those who are just entering the firearms world.

I wish everybody would stop forcing their negative opinions on others. It does no good.

 

[Midwest]

I don't get Hi-Point pistols... yes ... they are a few hundred cheaper than a Glock or M&P with vastly superior ergonomics and capacity - but given what ammo costs:

If you cannot afford a used Glock or M&P - how in the world are you going to afford all the ammo you are shooting?

I'd take a used Glock for $300 ANYDAY over a brand new Hi-Point for $170....

Ergonomics: Glock
Capacity: Glock
Aftermarket support: Glock
Accuracy: Glock
Weight: Glock
Holding it's value: Glock
Price: Hi-Point

I own the Hi Point .45 acp pistol. It is a good shooter and never jams.

If I had $300 and someone was selling a Glock for $300 I would buy it assuming it worked fine. I have never seen or heard of anyone selling a used Glock for $300.

 

[Mike1234567]

texasgun, you'll never get the issue if you keep looking at it from only one perspective. Not everybody uses them for range weapons. Not everybody carries them. Not everybody can afford multiple boxes of ammo. Not everyone has your perspective.

It is a great tool for the purpose it was made. to provide option for those who either cannot afford anything else or those who are just entering the firearms world.

I wish everybody would stop forcing their negative opinions on others. It does no good.

Agreed... Hi-Point pistols are an excellent option for those who can't afford anything else for home protection and can't afford to shoot very often.

 

[undeRGRound]

Thanks for all of the replies.
To clarify the key points made. These will NOT be home defense or carry guns. My idea is just a fun back yard (in the country) shooter. If I bought the group, I'd pass each of the three pistols to my three nephews and teach them each to shoot on their "own" firearms. The carbine would be a plinker for me until I save enough for my AR15 build.
I like the sound of their customer service and I have no qualms with paying for what you get. The way I see it is you don't learn to drive a stick in a 64 Mustang that you just build from the ground up.
They'd be guns to keep around the house for our family weekends "on the range" and letting the kids play with the big boys.
I may make a take-it-or-leave-it offer for the package.
Again, thanks for all the info.

Smart Dood!

My current crop of HPs has been 100% reliable.
I have each pistol with it's matching carbine.
Too bad the 995 and the C9 cannot share magazines, but the
JCP shares with the 4095 and the JHP shares with the 4595!
The latest gen 3 or 4 ProMags seem to work with the carbines,
but I have not tried the yet. As one other post on here said,
"The mags are EXPENSIVE!" well, my LGS has them for $16
each and they are about that online from HiPoint. Not bad
for extra mags, but I'd like more for less too LOL

My take? The bad rap that HiPoint gets is mostly from the jamming and
feed lip problems from the C9, that is what everyone hears about. If you
like tweaking your own handguns, then HP will send you free parts, cuz
then they don't have to fuss with the whole process and return shipping,
etc. So just get yourself an HP and start playing with it! Polish the slide
and tweak the feed lips (if needed) and then have fun, GO SHOOTING!

I also have plenty of other "expensive" guns, but these are really good.
I like shooting them as much as anything else I own, generally.

 

[undeRGRound]

I'd take a used Glock for $300 ANYDAY over a brand new Hi-Point for $170....

Ergonomics: Glock
Capacity: Glock
Aftermarket support: Glock
Accuracy: Glock
Weight: Glock
Holding it's value: Glock
Price: Hi-Point

I noticed you did not say

LOOKS: Glock

Cuz it is too close to call!!! lol


I lent out my JHP (45 for the noobs) to a good buddy of mine,
around August of 2013... still don't have it back...
In short, he's what one _might_ perceive as a "gun snob"
but he really likes it! His AR is a Colt, his EDC is a Sig 229,
he reloads, so on and so forth, owns a couple dozen guns
all together, BUT HE LIKES IT!

So do I, and I want it BACK! lol

 

[buck460XVR]

I don't get Hi-Point pistols... yes ... they are a few hundred cheaper than a Glock or M&P.

Yeah...I don't get Chevrolet's either.....they are only a few thousand less than a good Caddie or GMC. Or why folks insist on eating at home when eating out is only $20 or so more every night. Ain"t like they have a limit in their expendable income or anything............

Again. I don't own an Hi-Point nor I have I ever shot one. But I know a few folks that do and have. Some of them are in the boat where they only had $200 to spend on a bedside gun and ammo to feed it, or they had to resort to a baseball bat. They aren't in the situation where they can afford another $200 on their credit card. If you've never been there, don't claim to know what they should do.

Other folks I know that have them have them solely because they were cheap and not a big investment. They also have quality guns....not a big deal. They still go bang.

BTW....lotta folks with higher standards than you put Glocks in the same boat you put Hi-Points. Just sayin'.

 

[Mike1234567]

<snip> I lent out my JHP (45 for the noobs) to a good buddy of mine,
around August of 2013... still don't have it back... <snip> So do I, and I want it BACK! lol

Loan most anything to most anyone... expect it gone forever.

 

[undeRGRound]

Loan most anything to most anyone... expect it gone forever.

All I gotta do is go over there, but he was going to bring it back to work.
It's OK, we were on a job with no restrictions on weapons in the car.
The job is over now. (construction)

 

[donaldspark]

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point, including on the reliability issue. The advice I gave to an aquaintance was to give it to someone he didn't like, I would suggest you do the same.

 

[undeRGRound]

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point, including on the reliability issue. The advice I gave to an aquaintance was to give it to someone he didn't like, I would suggest you do the same.

So all you talk to are Gun Snobs?

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point


I also own MANY more expensive weapons. For what they are, HP is great.
Value per dollar spent is on par with ANY weapon out there...
and much greater than MOST. They just WORK

 

[Teachu2]

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point, including on the reliability issue. The advice I gave to an aquaintance was to give it to someone he didn't like, I would suggest you do the same.

And yet several members here have posted positive personal experiences with HP. Perhaps someone could read them out loud to you - then you'll have heard something positive about them.

 

[Midwest]

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point, including on the reliability issue. The advice I gave to an aquaintance was to give it to someone he didn't like, I would suggest you do the same.

I have the .45 acp pistol. It never jams and it shoots good. I owned it for nearly two years. The gun is bulky and ugly, but reliable. I have said the same thing several times here on THR whenever these Hi Point threads appear. So I don't know what else to say.

If I can get a Glock for $300 as someone suggested (I haven't seen one at that price) and I have the money I would. But I still would not sell the Hi Point, because it works. If it didn't work, I would send it to the manufacturer to get it fixed for free. I'll say the same thing when another Hi Point thread appears 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, a year from now etc...

Um, that is pretty much it.......

 

[FROGO207]

Some people cannot wrap their brains around the principle that a firearm as inexpensive as a High Point can actually be worth MORE than they paid for it.

 

[undeRGRound]

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point, including on the reliability issue. The advice I gave to an aquaintance was to give it to someone he didn't like, I would suggest you do the same.

I was going to suggest you do something else, but after all, this is...

THE HIGH ROAD

 

[Kiln]

The biggest problem with the carbines is that the firing pin channel wears out after 6k rounds or so. I've seen these types of failures several times on high mileage guns at HPFF.

 

[wgaynor]

I have never heard ANYTHING positive about Hi-Point, including on the reliability issue. The advice I gave to an aquaintance was to give it to someone he didn't like, I would suggest you do the same.

then you're not talking to too many people... just saying.

 

[undeRGRound]

The biggest problem with the carbines is that the firing pin channel wears out after 6k rounds or so. I've seen these types of failures several times on high mileage guns at HPFF.

Hmmm...

I will put some DFL in there. Could help.
But if the striker/hammer hits it sideways, it may still wear.
Good Info, I never saw that @HPFF (yet)

 

[CZ223]

I hate Hi-Points...No wait

I used to hate Hi-Points. I used to say stuff like, "I wouldn't take one if you bought it for me" but then I found an old 995 at the gun store for $125. I took it out and ran 50 rounds through it without a hitch. I wanted to hate it, really I did. I couldn't pass it up. I liked it so much that I ran out and bought one in 40 S&W. I got it used as well, for $240, it is like new. It kicks a little more than the 9mm but it is a lot of fun still. I would trust mine as a HD gun. I have several high end AR-15's and lots of expensive handguns but I have always had a fondness for inexpensive guns that get the job done. I love watching a guy with a an 870 beat up on the Trap Gurus with the Benelli's and Krieghoff's. The only thing I would change is magazine capacity. I have run 3-4 hundred through both the beat-up 9mm and the like new 40 without a hitch. I plan on buying a couple of more just to have for when prices go nuts again. Face it, you can't sell ammo to people for 2-3 times what you paid for it if they don't have anything to shoot it in.