High Tower Armory claims to be Ready with the High Point Bullpups!

[Demi-human]

Not for a "Fun Gun".

Believe it or not, many humans have more than one reason for a firearm. Some of those use them only for smiling, and many times it is not the current "Milspec", duty-only, do-you-even-train-bro type. I often shoot with one who would never own a firearm, but loves to shoot with me and giggles like a school girl when he does.

Since many of us like to have a lot of fun, as much as we can, it makes sense to try to get that fun inexpensively. Then we might have more of it.

Would a Hi-point bullpup be as good a choice in the theater of war, like an Aug or Tavor?

No. But I hardly think that is the point here...


Coincidentally, every time I see a Kel-Tec advertisement of the grizzled man and his take-no-shenanigans stare I have to smile. Evidently one better really look the part, if they are going to carry a Kel-Tec, else they may have to use the goofy looking thing.

I think the Hi-point bullpup looks neat and is a way around the SBR stamp. Double points for having a Ten Millimeter!

 

[Coal Dragger]

I understand guns for fun, just curious who would potentially be in the market for a $2K Tavor in 5.56 and decide to instead buy a 9mm carbine to put in a bull pup kit stock, or vice versa.

If I’m setting out to buy a fun plinker in 9mm a $2K 5.56 is probably not on my radar at all.

Not denigrating the fun 9mm carbine concept, even if I have no practical use for one. Practical does not matter if fun is the goal. If you can have practical and fun, then win win but achieving both isn’t mandatory.

 

[Demi-human]

achieving both isn’t mandatory.

I find it nearly impossible! My most fun firearms are completely impractical, and my practical ones are (almost) boringly reliable and quite traditional.

 

[someguy2800]

Not for a "Fun Gun".

Believe it or not, many humans have more than one reason for a firearm. Some of those use them only for smiling, and many times it is not the current "Milspec", duty-only, do-you-even-train-bro type. I often shoot with one who would never own a firearm, but loves to shoot with me and giggles like a school girl when he does.

Since many of us like to have a lot of fun, as much as we can, it makes sense to try to get that fun inexpensively. Then we might have more of it.

Would a Hi-point bullpup be as good a choice in the theater of war, like an Aug or Tavor?

No. But I hardly think that is the point here...


Coincidentally, every time I see a Kel-Tec advertisement of the grizzled man and his take-no-shenanigans stare I have to smile. Evidently one better really look the part, if they are going to carry a Kel-Tec, else they may have to use the goofy looking thing.

I think the Hi-point bullpup looks neat and is a way around the SBR stamp. Double points for having a Ten Millimeter!

I snicker a bit every time I see that ad as well He got his 1000 yard stare to go with his tactical beard.

 

[Hasaf]

Why would you be comparing a locked breech gas operated 5.56 NATO military/duty grade bullpup carbine to a blowback 9mm Luger bullpup (kit) on price? That’s an apples and dump trucks comparison.

I don't think this was directed to me; but I still want to chime in. You make a good point that the High Point Bull Pup is very different in nature than a Tavor or a Kel-Tek RDB. However, there is a similarity. The layer of similarity is obvious; they are all Bull Pups.

The issues that many raise about Bull Pups are going to be present no matter which Bull Pup is being used. The High Point Kit does allow a user to try the Bull Pup platform and see if those issues, which are inherent to any Bull Pup, really are turn offs.

As stated, I do see your point, that the High Point Kit is so different from other Bull Pup rifles that it isn't a fair comparison. I just happen to see it differently, I think that the Bull Pup configuration is very different form conventional rifles, yet all Bull Pups share enough similarities that is is a fair test for a person to decide if they like the Bull Pup idea at all.

All that being said, after getting mine, as soon as possible I will do a bit of a comparison to the Tavor (sorry, not mine, it belongs to a friend). I have been waiting for the Kel-Tek RDB to come down in price. Yes, I see that it is starting to come down, it is just not at my "buy it now" price.

 

[Hasaf]

Okay, I wrote to them and asked:

The postings about the stock seem pretty positive. Can you estimate when I will receive my letter?

Thanks!

This was the response:

Hello [Hasaf]- thanks so much for your message and your patience! I checked and you're just north of 16000 on our list but we are already through about half of that number. We are hoping to get to you within the next 2-3 months at most. Please let me know if you have any questions and thank you very much for your patience and interest!

I am very pleased to see an independent shop introducing a product that is doing so well. I posted the response so others can also see what is going on.

 

[Hasaf]

It is here and I have gotten to the range. First, the pictures:




As you can see, overall, it is about the same length as the CZ Scorpion with the brace in place.

With the reflex Red Dot sight where it is, the sight can be operated with the forward hand. I have ordered a hand stop in order to prevent any accident with the forward hand; however, there was no real movement of the forward hand during firing.

On order to put in the most forward rail position under the barrel:

image from here

The longer barrel of the Hi-Point was not giving any real advantage in velocity; however, the accuracy was on par with the CZ Scorpion.

Firearm Average Velocity
Scorpion - 1188
Hi-Power - 1076
S&W 9c - 973
Hi-Point - 1141
The ammunition used were commercial FMJ reloads and were quite consistent.

It was extremely easy to assemble. The hardst part was field striping the Hi-Point, in its original configuration. I did use a soft mallet to aid in separating the High Tower stock for the first time. As is advertised, it is much easier to field strip the carbine once it is in the High Tower stock.

As I recall, it came with some small allen wrenches. You might want a set of good allen wrenches for the job.You will need SAE for disassembling the Hi-Point stock, then you will need metric for assembling the High-Tower stock. You should also use some medium, or lower, thread locking compound for the counterweight that comes with the kit.

Note: I just received word from Andy at High-Tower that the stock kit also uses SAE. I think I am so used to using metric that metric is what I reach for first and in many of the sizes that match is pretty close; they were close enough that I though they were metric. . . my goof.

In all, it was easy to assemble, it is very fun to shoot, and it looks a lot better than the Hi-Point stock. It is also a lot less expensive than a CZ, or other 9mm braced pistol, or SBR style, alternatives.

Am I going to get rid of my CZ? No
Would I feel satisfied If the Hi-Point/High-Tower carbine were my only 9mm carbine? Yes

If you are looking for a 9mm carbine, I strongly recommend giving the Hi-Point/High-Tower a look. Of course, I am still waiting for the high capacity, double stacked, magazines.

 

[sawcut]

A guy in my club recently put together the High Tower bullpup. It looks really cool, and the plastic stock is very nicely designed and has a high quality look and feel. Very good job on the appearance and execution of this stock. His had a high mounted red dot sight that was a good match for the gun.

Since it was a bullpup, it was easy handling, and balanced well. I have a 9mm AR, and I've always liked these pistol caliber carbines for low cost, fun plinking. The only issues with the rifle were that the trigger pull was pretty long and vague feeling, as you'd expect from most bullpups. I also found that charging the rifle was a bit of a challenge. The bullpup conversion adds a forward mounted charging handle, which is a comfortable feature. But it seems that the HP carbine inherently has a bolt that you have to retract all the way to charge it properly, and the last 1/4" of travel takes a bunch more effort. If you don't charge it fully you'll have an issue with the trigger not being cocked. It was just awkward to force the bolt back that last 1/4", not impossible, just a more deliberate effort than I'd expect. Inside the sleek stock is still a somewhat crude High Point. Reliable, but not the most refined action.

Still, a fun and interesting rifle. It was reliable and accurate, and we spent an afternoon at the range shooting steel targets with the High Point and a 9mm AR. Since I got my 9mm AR together 2 years ago, it has been my most used rifle for plinking.