Hk 91 .308

[Firepower!]

I have acquired a newer HK-91 .308 semi auto to replace an old one I had. I have fired about 100 rounds through it without any problem. I want to get opinion from those of you who have HK-91 or have fired it. Also, I want to know if it can be converted to select fire. Finally, whats the best scope for it, and where can I find it on the net plus the retractable stock and the scope mounts, since G3 varients have specific mount for scopes?

I really enjoyed the older one I had, but the coloring worn out and scratches on the stock and foreguard were bothering me.

It has cost me about 2500 US$ here. How much would it be in the US?

 

[Working Man]

To answer the select fire and $$ questions properly you might want to note
where you are from.

 

[Firepower!]

Pakistan

 

[TexasRifleman]

If you are interested in searching, there is a forum dedicated to HK where I think you will find tons of information.

http://hkpro.com/

They can be converted to full auto easily enough with the right trigger pack but for us here in the US that's not really an option so I couldn't help with sources for that. I understand it's pretty easy to do.

Scope mounts come in a couple of different forms.

Here in the US we have a company called PTR, they are making copies of the HK91, on old HK equipment, and selling them here since we can't import the real thing into this country.

So, many of us have experience shooting the HK91 in its copy form, the PTR91.

Probably the most recommended scope mount is the A.R.M.S. #1 G-3/MP5.

One thing about the 91 with a scope that I don't like is that the scopes tend to ride pretty high making it hard to get a good cheek weld.

Here is a picture of mine with a Leupold CQ/T optic. I like this optic very much but as you can see it rides very high, so in reality it's not a very good setup. I've put a few other scopes on to see and they all ride too high to get a decent cheek weld so it's my opinion that this rifle is best used with irons only.

As for stocks not sure what you are looking for but a company called Magpul makes an outstanding stock for the HK91. I have one now but don't have a recent picture. It has an adjustable cheek piece that helps with the high rise of the scopes though not on that CQ/T, that thing is just too tall.

One good source for HK parts is Numrich:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/

 

[waterhouse]

For scopes a lot of people go with the Hensoldt Z24 in the claw mount. I've attached a link to what one looks like:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP074-45470-1821.html

It is fixed 4x with nice glass. I've got one and really like the scope, although like TR said it is mounted very high and not an ideal setup.

One of mine is a PTR-91, which cost me $600 on the used market a couple years ago. They have since gone up in price. I also have a Greek SAR built under license from HK which is closer to the original (I guess essentially it is the same thing except for the receiver stamp) in terms of barrel profile, I think that one was closer to $1100, [and IMO not worth anywhere near $500 more than my PTR.] Original HK rifles here fetch a premium because they are seen as collector's items. I don't know what the going rate is these days for an HK-91.

 

[W.E.G.]

If you live in Pakistan, don't you have to have special governmental permission to receive things like rifle scopes from the United States?

I'm sure the vendors in the United States have to have special governmental permission to send anything relating to firearms to Pakistan.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#l2

Something smells funny.

 

[sinistr]

changing a 91 to select fire is pretty easy assuming its legal where you are located.my favorite scope for my 91 is the 4 by 32 acog.the only problem is that it has minimal eye relief,so you have to have a firm grip or the scope will hit you in the face.the bdc of 100 to 800 yards is made for a 20" rifle so it matches fairly closely.use a b&t flat top scope mount and it won't marr your finish like a claw mount will.plus you can change out optics or go to irons pretty quickly.it will also lower the scope a little more than the other mounts.a cheek pad from blackhawk ind.will also raise your line of sight but it might get in the way of you using the factory sights.

 

[Firepower!]

I appreciate all the responses and help.
WEG: here in PK we have some dealers who find their way to anything we like. How? I dont know. May be they have good US connections or getting stuff through Europe.

 

[Firepower!]

Hk 91

Here is mine.

 

[iamkris]

Excellent. Most guys here in the US show "tactical tennis shoes" in their pictures. Now we have "tactical sandals"!

 

[Firepower!]

techtical sandals go long way when you are in the moutains. sorry to tell you that you have to be tough to survive here..yes that means without foot locker and McDonalds.

 

[El Tejon]

Sharp rifle, Fire. Did you get it from a Swiss dealer?

 

[Firepower!]

El Tejon: I got it from a dealer in a tribal area who got it some how. He was very disappointed with it since it looks like a G3 but does not select fire, so I got is cheap. Next day he got an offer from some one else for four times what I paid for it.

Not sure how he got it, since most of the weapon sold in the tribal area is select fire (if expensive) and some old cheap bolt guns.

 

[El Tejon]

Fire, yes, that does not look like the tribal HK copies that I've seen. Looks more like a commerical model that HK markets in Europe, particularly the HKs that I saw in Switzerland.

 

[vzenmn]

How much does a Lee Enfield and a AK47 / AK74 go for over there?

And I hear you guys have quite a few arms makers copying all sorts of firearms from scratch. You ever had any experience with that?

And here is a question I probably don't want to know. How much does 308 ammo cost you?

Sorry for hijacking your post I'm just a little curious.

 

[NG VI]

I wonder what the regulations on buying a rifle from a certain forum member in Pakistan look like... completely impossible right? Cause an HK-91 would make my year, with or without marring

 

[TexasRifleman]

completely impossible right?

That probably doesn't even begin to describe it

 

[Monkeybear]

Check out near the bottom of this page. Its a select fire HK91 fire control group for $85. Now about the legality of getting one of those shipped to your country, thats up to you to figure out.

 

[NG VI]

Stupid regulations!

Yep, that's rough, funny how the very people who push for a "Global Community" don't want private citizens to exchange goods very much, do they?

Well FirePower! I would definitely want to hang out with you if I happened to live in Pakistan. Oh well...

 

[Firepower!]

vzenmn:
LeeE would be anywhere between 250$-500$ depending on its condition. Most popular is Mark V the paratrooper.

AK local made 250$
AK Russian 500-600$
AK Hungarian 1000$
AK Chinese less than 500$
AK German 900$

On Copies:
Two copies stand apart from the rest. One is holland & hollnad dbbl. You HAVE to call in an expert to tell a difference, and sometimes they cant. Sold from 1000$+ and there is waiting period for that.
Second is Beretta 92FS. Sold for 250$. Very hard to tell any difference and performance is as good. Off course there is no long term testing off it.

Other copies are there but most widely copied is the Tokarev (TT) 30 cal pistol. You can get one for 50$. Some work and some will break.

308 Remingtion Ammo is over 2.5$/bullet. However, since Pakistan army uses G3 it sells the surplus ammo so you can get that for about 30-60 cents/bullet depending upon who you buy it from. There is not local production of 308 ammo as I know of since most 308 rifles are expensive and people would even by the tribal made ammo for them even if cheap. Local made ammo are in 9mm, .30 Mauser, 7mm mouser, AK47, 32ACP, 8mm, etc.

 

[Firepower!]

NG VI: You are most welcome to visit for as long as you want. I have a Professor from my MSU days who comes out year since my return from the US. Not sure she will come this summer as she is terribly afarid of the heat we get here in the summers. I think she will be making trip this fall. I am trying to arrange for her to teach a visiting scholar course at AIR FORCE university on ancient worlds.

 

[Firepower!]

On Regulations:
In Pakistan there are two types of people. One with licenses other who dont care! Lets leave the one's that do not care aside since they are in every country.

On licenses: There are two types. 1) Non Prohibited Bore (NPB) and 2) Prohibited Bore (PB).

NPB includes: Any kind of Pistol, Revolver, Shotgun and .22 Rifle.

PB includes: technically everything else, but more specifically, .223, 5.45x39, 7.62 (any but way to get around for 308) and ANY automatic weapon.

THere is a gray area for semi auto/bolt action rilfes in 308, 7mm, 30-06, 243, 270, etc. If you know someone they will register them so long as they are bolt actions on you NPB license, except .223 and 7.62 and 5.45x39, because they are notorious for being converted into select fire in most of the makes they come in, even if you want them as semi, and there reputaion will keep you from bolts getting registered as well.


NPB license aqusition is easy. Usually you get it in a week or so time. You can get one that looks like a passport or get one like a driver's license (the new ones). They are generally issued without any problem.

Now PB is whole different story. ONLY the Prime Minister has the authority to sign off on your PB license. This is why ppl try to get around to registering there bolts on NPBs. And get PBs for serious stuff like AK, M16, MP5 etc, other select fire weapons.

 

[Chipperman]

It's hard to tell from your photo, but it looks like the front of your trigger pack has the shelf cut out as the American HK91's do. This was done to prevent easy illegal mods from push-pin lowers (which in the U.S. can be legally machine guns by themselves).

Assuming you get all of the legal stuff figured out, here's what you would have to do to get your HK91 firing full-auto:
1. Get a full auto bolt carrier. This will slide right in to your HK91, no fitting or cutting needeed.
2. Get a full-auto G3 lower.
3. Take the front of the G3 lower and cut out where the shelf is, so it will fit on your rifle. You would have to cut the lower frame and also the fire control group housing.

If you get the lower cut to fit properly and put the full-auto bolt carrier in, you should be ready to go. Getting it to function reliably in full-auto may take more work.

 

[vzenmn]

Thanks.

Looks like there is not much of a price difference between our countries. But I am guessing a lot of them AKs over there are select fire.

 

[Firepower!]

VZEMN AK without select fire is as good as used dipers here

You wont even find one.

Chipperman: Thank you for you input. I think instead of buying all these parts I will just buy a G3, I already have one and it will be a pair. But this new one I want in black since the other one I have is in green fittings.