HK VP9 does not fair well in torture test

[ttarp]

I find these test interesting and sometimes amusing, but if you decide against any gun based on this or similar torture test, I'm sorry thats just plain silly. And about paddle mag releases? If you don't like them its fine, but arguing against them based on the abuse received in this video is kind of ridiculous. Unless of course you make a regular habit of chucking your pistol full throttle at steel plates.

That being said, I bet a block would have performed better, and the Makarov that MAC tested certainly did better.

 

[tarosean]

and the Makarov that MAC tested certainly did better.

Since multiple people stated this, I checked out the video... Not exactly the same testing procedure so not much can be had from comparing the two.

* I do not own a HK product

 

[TJx]

This is the same Youtube channel that gave the KSG a bad review after clearly short stroking it in their video.

 

[lpsharp88]

These torture tests are nice and all, but very unrealistic, as others have said. I'd be more interested in realistic scenarios that involve the shooter being subjected to the same torture. I don't care if a pistol can survive being dunked in a puddle and still function. Why not throw yourself in a puddle when it's cold, pull yourself out, then put a few rounds in the down 0 part of an IDPA target? That's the real test. I can't think of a single scenario in which your pistol will get tortured without the user being subjected to very similar circumstances.

 

[SwampWolf]

Everything else being equal (which, admittedly, seldom is), who wouldn't want a pistol that performs well in adverse conditions, compared to others that don't? What's the downside?

 

[vaupet]

downside of resisting torture testing is mostly tollerances.
And tollerances and accuracy usually don't get along.

I want my firearms to be as accurate as possible, wich means that I have to take really good care of them.

Admittedly, i'm no seal or ranger nor marine, and if I want to go down a muddy perm to an animal i recently wounded, i would make sure it was dead (one could use a hunting rifle for that purpose) not to have to rely on a 9 mm for my own life.
These torture test really make my stomache hurt

 

[JR24]

These torture tests are nice and all, but very unrealistic, as others have said. I'd be more interested in realistic scenarios that involve the shooter being subjected to the same torture. I don't care if a pistol can survive being dunked in a puddle and still function. Why not throw yourself in a puddle when it's cold, pull yourself out, then put a few rounds in the down 0 part of an IDPA target? That's the real test. I can't think of a single scenario in which your pistol will get tortured without the user being subjected to very similar circumstances.

While I agree in general, dropping your firearm into a puddle or snowbank is certainly a realistic incident that could occur in a "combat" scenario, in that case I sure would hope that, should I recover the firearm, it would still work.

Unlikely for CCW, sure, but so is needing my CCW in the first place.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

This thread inspired me to gain some first had experience in what a piece of crap the VP9 is, so I brought one home yesterday.

I drug it home on a rope behind my pickup truck for 40 miles, and then kicked it through my front door. I am currently filling it with peanut butter and rubber cement, and spitting on it for good measure. Before shooting it I plan to set it on a tee ball tee and bat it across my yard a few times. Now if you'll all excuse me for a minute, I need to go bury this thing in my cat's litter pan where it'll remain for a week.

........... There, done.

This is my "super d-bag torture test" designed to simulate the possible adverse conditions that can occur in an unrealistic, single sample, YouTube video test. Such tests are highly useful as a single sample, in a poulation of 1 results in a coefficient of variation of 0, and a sampling error of 0.

I'll post the results on my YouTube channel, The Completely Beat to Hell Military Arms Fantasy Channel. I expect you all to head my words.

Ok, sarcasm dial turned back down to normal. Sorry. I misread the readout and turned it up to 100% for a minute.

I really did buy a VP9 yesterday and put 300 rounds through it. I'll share my impressions of my particular gun in a new thread if anyone cares for another unscientific set of impressions on this particular model, based on one sample.

 

[CTGunner]

I have 4k rounds through my vp9. I have never had a malfunction of any kind. I spent 4 hours shooting it in a cold rain with mags dropped in mud and reloaded without cleaning - no issues at all. I like the gun because it is totally reliable and ridiculously accurate, for me. The video hasn't convinced me that there is a problem with the vp9 if used under any semi normal conditions.

 

[Fishbed77]

True, but I love watching people squirm when their expensive pistol of choice is knocked.

It happens all the time, and not just with guns.

While MAC's test was obviously a sample of one, the results don't surprise me at all. Open up a VP9 and look at the design of the trigger group, striker, and other internal parts versus something like a Glock or Walther P99/PPQ. Everything it much more complicated and packed much more tightly together, which will not facilitate the egress of mud, sand, and other debris. Likewise, the flimsy palm swells have always been a solution in search of a problem. At least the design of the swells on pistols like the M&P are better thought-out.

MAC's criticism of the paddle mag release, however, is something I don't really buy into. It's very easy for grit to interfere with a 1911 or Glock mag release as well. As least the paddle release still has all of it's inherent positive traits (primary of which are full ambidextrous operation, the ability to keep sights on target when changing a mag (regardless of hand size), and the virtual inability to accidentally drop a mag while holstered).