Hodgdon 414

[shekarchi]

after hours of searching on the net I finally found and ordered 4 pounds of
H414- I am new to reloading and trying to find a good all-around powder for .270 Win and 300WSM... In your opinion
is H414 an acceptable powder for these calibers?
I looked at Hodgdon reloading data and saw that both calibers have been loaded with this powder and figured it should be OK- but would like to hear your opinion since I am going on very little data of my own...

 

[Don McDowell]

It's probably a little fast for the 270 but should work fine. I use 414 almost exclusively in the 30-06 and 243.
No experience with the wsm so can't offer any opinion on that one.

 

[Steve in PA]

As with the other poster, I have used H414 in my .30/06 for years with excellent results. No experience in using it with other calibers though.

 

[NCsmitty]

You will note at the www.hodgdon.com site, H414 and Win760 are identical powders and use the same charge weights.
I personally use magnum primers for those older, harder to ignite ball powders, but some here use standard primers.
H414 should be a good powder in both calibers, and if they are accurate, I'm sure you'll be happy.


NCsmitty

 

[shekarchi]

You will note at the www.hodgdon.com site, H414 and Win760 are identical powders and use the same charge weights.
I personally use magnum primers for those older, harder to ignite ball powders, but some here use standard primers.
H414 should be a good powder in both calibers, and if they are accurate, I'm sure you'll be happy.


NCsmitty

So magnum primers can be used in 270win w/o issues?

 

[Don McDowell]

The only time in the last 50 years I've used magnum rifle primers is when loading the belted magnums with 4831, and bp substitute in 45-70.
Never have had any issue with 414 and regular rifle primers.

 

[Jim Watson]

My .22-250 shoots more accurately with magnum primers and H414.
Yours might not.

An old old Guns & Ammo cover banner said "H414, is this what Winchester loads 180 grain .30-06 with?" Their conclusion was that it was. Usual Timidnet warnings about bulk lot versus canister lot, lot to lot variation, and changes in powder and policy with time.

 

[NCsmitty]

So magnum primers can be used in 270win w/o issues?

Absolutely, IMO, they can be used in any cartridge if you work up from start loads. It's not magic, they have a longer and hotter flame front to ignite harder to ignite ball (spherical) powders or any cartridge that pushes 70gr of powder or more, and those are my criteria. Magnum primers can give more consistent ignition in some cartridges, and not in others. Most of the new ball powders from Accurate/Ramshot and Alliant work fine with standard primers.
The only time it could be an issue is when you take a full power load and substitute a magnum primer for the standard primer that it was worked up with. It could cause an overpressure situation. That's why you work up with either type of primer.


NCsmitty

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Using a magnum primer is more a function of the powder you're using than the cartridge. Like said above, older Ball Powders do react better when ignited by a magnum primer.

In your other thread most of the posts suggested using 4381 or even 4350 for both those rounds so why did you buy H414? I'm just curious...

 

[Rem700CDLSF3006]

had good accuracy out of it in my 30-06 and used standard primer

 

[shekarchi]

Using a magnum primer is more a function of the powder you're using than the cartridge. Like said above, older Ball Powders do react better when ignited by a magnum primer.

In your other thread most of the posts suggested using 4381 or even 4350 for both those rounds so why did you buy H414? I'm just curious...

You are right I did mention the other powders but the problem is finding those powders. My choice is to sit around and hope someone gets the one I want or get whatever seems to work AND is available... Since I am so new to this i am basically trying to get as much experience as possible
At some point i will get a chrono so I can get a better idea about what my recipes yield. I am just starting to understand all the technical aspects and it seems to more I dig the more complicated it gets...
Wonder if anyone else ran into the same issues when they were getting started...
Thanks for your comments regardless

 

[ArchAngelCD]

You are right I did mention the other powders but the problem is finding those powders. My choice is to sit around and hope someone gets the one I want or get whatever seems to work AND is available... Since I am so new to this i am basically trying to get as much experience as possible
At some point i will get a chrono so I can get a better idea about what my recipes yield. I am just starting to understand all the technical aspects and it seems to more I dig the more complicated it gets...
Wonder if anyone else ran into the same issues when they were getting started...
Thanks for your comments regardless

I wasn't saying you were wrong, I thought you had access to the powders you mentioned in the other thread. I agree, if there is very little to choose from choose the best of what's there. H414/W760 will get you shooting...

 

[shekarchi]

I wasn't saying you were wrong, I thought you had access to the powders you mentioned in the other thread. I agree, if there is very little to choose from choose the best of what's there. H414/W760 will get you shooting...

Understood
Thank you for your help

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Hodgdon's site lists loads for .300 WSM and H414.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

 

[Lj1941]

I started out with W 760 many years ago and always liked its performance and good metering in my 7MM08.I never use anything but standard primers.

 

[Steve in PA]

My 30 year old Win 70 XTR still shoots under 1moa at 100 yard using H414 and standard CCI 200 primers. In all those years the CCI 200's are the only primers I've ever used with the H414.

 

[scottishkat]

H-414/w-760

H-414 and W-760 are excellent powders and data looks good for the 270 win and 300 WSM. I would also try Ramshot Hunter If you can find it somewhere. I shot the 300 WSM once in a light rifle and I might shoot it again in a heavy rifle I said MIGHT. I note it is recommended for both and shoots really well in my 270 win with a 24" barrel.

 

[gdcpony]

414 has been a good powder for me in .257Roberts, but no other experience to speak of. It was easy to meter and plenty precise at the range. I would use it without hesitation and plan to use up what I still have.

I went to Varget for versatility and because I hunt in different temps fro 100+ to -5 and Varget is the only powder that has yet to need a re-sight when I fire a test round. A bit harder to meter, but just as precise

 

[shekarchi]

H-414 and W-760 are excellent powders and data looks good for the 270 win and 300 WSM. I would also try Ramshot Hunter If you can find it somewhere. I shot the 300 WSM once in a light rifle and I might shoot it again in a heavy rifle I said MIGHT. I note it is recommended for both and shoots really well in my 270 win with a 24" barrel.

From what i have found 414 & 760 are the same powder

 

[119er]

From what i have found 414 & 760 are the same powder

They are, as NCSmitty said in post #4.

To date Win760/H414 has given me the best velocity out of my 26" 7mm-08 with 139gr SST's Avg. was 3006fps. with no indications of excessive pressure. While it is purely subjective, I notice a sharper or heavier recoil with this powder over a few others. This includes the times I've used it in .30-06 as well.

Work you loads up and get a chrono. I would like to get ahold of a WSM to play with some day!

 

[shekarchi]

The chrono is on my xmas wish list since I have already blown my initial budget with all the extras I found I HAD to have...
The wsm is going to be my go to deer/elk gun once I establish the best load.
I am just trying the heavier bullets (165/168) since all literature says for 300's a 1 in 10" twist works best with 170 grains and up bullets. Where I like to hunt i get shots as long s 300-400 yards so accuracy is more important

 

[scottishkat]

Agreed I have noted subtle differences batch to batch with both powders.

 

[witchhunter]

You might have better luck with a slower powder if you use heavier bullets in both calibers. I would start with 4831 or at least 4350 for heavier bullets in both calibers. Advertise locally to trade a pound or two for some magnum powder. The 270 likes slower powder with heavier bullet weights too. We are all in this together and you might be surprised how other shooters will help you out. Besides powder and primers are like gold these days....someone somewhere wants some H414/760!!!

 

[shekarchi]

My 300WSM is an A-bolt with BOSS. I found that the recoil is a tad sharper than my A-bolt in .270 WIN if the muzzle brake is installed [not conventional recoil attachment]. Last weekend I shot a couple of decent groups using 64 grains of H414/W760... I have no idea about the velocity but I plan to shoot this load at 200 and 300 yards to see how much of a drop there is and maybe I can calculate the velocity... one of the groups was 0.208" and the other was around 0.5"

 

[shekarchi]

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