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Hollow Base Swaged Revolver Bullet

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Anyone remember these bullets for BP revolvers? These are in 36 but they also came in 44. They are swaged not cast and I only have a few hundred left.

I got them from a con man and swindler, Ithink here, and I don't know if anyone else is making them. They have a hollow base that expands to take the rifling, a round nose, a band around the tip that shaves off, and a base that drops into the cylinder. In use they seem to work like a wadcutter, are very accurate and easy to load.

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These look very much like the Albert's Bullets "Ball-ets" I occasionally ask about and no one response about.

The body of the bullet seems longer than the line drawings I have in an old ad sheet, but that may just be my memory or these may not be Albert's Bull-ets at all but something very like them.

I liked their .357 158 grain SWC for .38 special and mild .357 mag loads in my revolvers and only have five or six of those left somewhere in the shop. They were swaged and coated with some sort of Dry film lubricant and had no grease grooves or crimp groove and dead soft.

My experience with those made me want to try the Ball-ets but then it seems Albert's went the way of the passenger pidgeon.

How do they shoot?

I wonder if such a design might work if cast?

-kBob
 
The 44's are shorter I am having swaging dies to make them for myself and maybe a few for sale as long as I don't step on anyone's toes. I don't want to sell someone else's design if they plan on using it or still own it or anything
 
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If you get to selling 44s, I'd be a likely buyer. Liked the Buffalo Ball-ets but they seem to have gone TU.
 
Any chance I can get a scan of that ad sheet? I am having 36 and 44's made
 
The bullets were good he took me for a $2,500 deposit to make a double barrel shotgun and it turned out to be all lies - he ripped off quite a few people and it fell apart when he got busted for beating his wife - told me he made the bullets but I think a company called Albert did and he misrepresented that as well

So I paid about $2,500 and a Uberti 1851 navy he stole for maybe 400 bullets is all I ever received

I have been doing BP revolvers and pistols for almost 40 years and on the whole you could not find a nicer group of people but he was a snake
 
I don't think we should be endorsing a con man and swindler at this website. So long as a reputable source is found, then it's all good. If this thread goes towards endorsing that con man/swindler, it'll be closed.
 
I have not heard from since 2006 and if anyone does I would be the first to shut it down

Think of it like getting a Chevy from a crooked used car dealer. The dealer may have been crooked but the Chevy was good. But you don't know who made the Chevy. What I have been trying to find is who made the bullets and the only link I had was the crooked dealer. I am going to be making my own and might eventually sell a few to help pay for the swaging equipment but not if another person or company holds the rights to them. That's what I have been trying to discover for the last few months
 
I will look for the ad sheet this weekend, I should warn you that I recycled about 300 pounds of gun pubs last month( Mostly magazines but some catalogs and sales brochures from shot shows and NRA conventions past )so no guarentees.......

Albert's also made a 130 grain hydro shock swaged lead that looked awfully interesting and I believe they were actually first with it. It was touted to be THE bullet for 2 inch .38 SPL revolvers. They also had a 150 grain swaged .308 bullet that allowed one to sort of duplicate the performance of the 1906 gallery practice that drew a couple of gun book articles. Unfortunately in those pre internet days ( we used buffalo skins over green brush fires) the 158 grain swaged SWC I mentioned earlier were the only Albert's bullets I actually got hands on.

Now it occurs to me that if I can find an article on the .308 that might give me a date to start looking for articles on the ball-ets

-kBob
 
I'd like to have those in .36 and .44.

Are your swaging dies going to require a special swaging press, or are they like the Hawk swaging dies that fit a standard reloading press?

I have the Hawk dies (somewhere) for .44 and .45 caliber pistol bullets.
 
Jaymo,

this topic seems to be about the swaged bullets I occasionally have asked about and now you bring up my other unanswered question, home swageing.

What do you mean about the Hawk type units and what bullets do they make?

I have asked about a product once called from an outfit called Seneca Run that was a home kit for making swaged round ball. It used two dies that where struck together with a big honking hammer to swage a round ball from cut portions of lead "sticks" that wee cast for uniformity and then cut to length.
The balls came from the dies with a very thin ring around them that was removed by pushing the ball through a sizer. Never actually seen one but saw an article decades ago and have wanted one or four since.

-kBob
 
jaxenro,

How about starting a topic on that George Todd revolver on THR.

Would like to know more about this Texas Todd person and his guns

I saw a gun at an auction sight that was supposedly a Colt used by a CSA surgeon from Tallahassee FL that had that sighting system and seemed to have Manhattan safety notches that has interested me since.

-kBob
 
Hope this works as the attachment should be the pistol bullets table from an Alberts newsprint brochure picked up when the shot show was in Atlanta about 1983 or 84.

I also went out to the shop to see if I could find the .357 SWC (#1401 on the chart)to compare the general look of the materials and dry film lube but looks like they are locked up under a ton of "stuff" so not accessible. Looks like I scramble my memories on the Hydra-shock, there is a 130 grain in 9mm, but the HS is a wad cutter design. I tried to find the 158 SWC HP at the time to make FBI loads but it just did not happen.

Let me know if you get the dies working and if the bullets are to be available (maybe send me a few .44 for all my help ;-) , eh?)


Oh, and on that Todd, you have entirely too much play money for one guy based on further research on that 272 pistol. Lucky dog.......

Looking at the Todd and the G&G I have to wonder how far in Alabama from Griswoldville GA Todd moved to.....

-kBob
 

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The Todd isn't mine either of them. All I can afford to collect are pictures of antiques. I have about 700 different percussion revolvers shown on my site most of the pics are from auction sites
 
Let me know if you get the dies working and if the bullets are to be available (maybe send me a few .44 for all my help ;-) , eh?)

If I get it all working I will send you a few boxes
 
I look at that bullet and my mind runs to thoughts of loading them backward in an Avenging Angel..........
 
jaxenro,

Any word on your swaging die yet?

BTW I went to your site and it was nice. Lots of recognizible handles over there as well. I rather liked the photos of Root revolvers. I get conflicting reports as to whether they were ever any "belt Models" in .36 or not. If I whipped out a root at a Steam Punk Convention, most attendees would think it was a made up toy/prop!

-kBob
 
Swaging dies are on order plus I gotta buy a press so it will be a little bit as we're gonna move next month and I figure to do it all afterwards. I don't even know what to charge for a box of 50 to make it reasonable

Never heard of a 36 root revolver thought they were all 28 or 31? Of course the root style rifles came from 44 to 12 gauge
 
Yeah I saw a 12 gauge root in a little museum in St Augustine that is no longer there.

Really got e wondering about barrel /cylinder gap issues and chain firing.

I might have posted a photo of it around here.

Good luck with the move.

-kBob
 
I wouldnt mind trying a box of these.

I have some made from the lee conical mold but i have a feeling once i ream my cylinders they will be a bit loose.

Mine are for a .451 and i think ill need a .454 or a .457 when im done.

As it is i only shoot the conicals once in a while, i think these would be the same way just once in a while.
 
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