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"Homeland defense rifles"
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gyp_c2
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hmmm...
...maybe it'll take this time...
Seems like I remember this very thing brought up back around 2001-02 and whatknotted around...I still use the a_nym in my sig for my idea...I still can't believe it's come to this...
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...maybe it'll take this time...
Seems like I remember this very thing brought up back around 2001-02 and whatknotted around...I still use the a_nym in my sig for my idea...I still can't believe it's come to this...
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Derby FALs
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Harve Curry
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I'm not European, I'm American.
I don't recall anyone asking about that phrase, they just shoved it down our throats.
I don't recall anyone asking about that phrase, they just shoved it down our throats.
romma
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Yout he Commoner have no need for homeland defense rifles... Only the police and military are qualified to handle them... They will protect you!
I think HDR (homeland defense rifle) is better than assault rifle - I think self-loading is more accurate but then we would have to explain what self-loading means to some maroon (thats maroon as in the color red or as bugs bunny pronounces moron).
Personally, I like target rifle because thats what I use them for.
They eventually will try to outlaw whatever you name them whether defense (heck some states & countries already outlaw self defense) or target or hunting.
California is already proposeing LEAD BANS - all it is is an attemp to outlaw ammo by making it a hazardous substance! Next will be smokeless powder bans because it irritates employees at ranges, or noise bans because some liberal maroon doesn't like it.
They already want to ban regular capacity magazines (they have in Cal.) - so self-loading will just send them running like chicken little.
BTW, the anti's are as logical as cartoons which is why I use cartoon references.
AT some point we will have to stand up to people that want to legislate anything they don't agree with or participate in.
In the meantime its a target rifle.
Personally, I like target rifle because thats what I use them for.
They eventually will try to outlaw whatever you name them whether defense (heck some states & countries already outlaw self defense) or target or hunting.
California is already proposeing LEAD BANS - all it is is an attemp to outlaw ammo by making it a hazardous substance! Next will be smokeless powder bans because it irritates employees at ranges, or noise bans because some liberal maroon doesn't like it.
They already want to ban regular capacity magazines (they have in Cal.) - so self-loading will just send them running like chicken little.
BTW, the anti's are as logical as cartoons which is why I use cartoon references.
AT some point we will have to stand up to people that want to legislate anything they don't agree with or participate in.
In the meantime its a target rifle.
ArfinGreebly
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In a related discussion over in L&P, I posted my remarks on the General Purpose or Utility Rifle
The idea of "Militia Rifle" also has merit.
Once upon a time, the military adopted a General Purpose Vehicle. It didn't take long for that name to be shortened. The "GP" in "GP Vehicle" became "Jeep" and that name is with us today.
A "general purpose rifle" is a GPR, which rolls off the tongue well.
I could get into having one or more "jeep" rifles.
In a related discussion over in L&P, I posted my remarks on the General Purpose or Utility Rifle
The idea of "Militia Rifle" also has merit.
Once upon a time, the military adopted a General Purpose Vehicle. It didn't take long for that name to be shortened. The "GP" in "GP Vehicle" became "Jeep" and that name is with us today.
A "general purpose rifle" is a GPR, which rolls off the tongue well.
I could get into having one or more "jeep" rifles.
SaMx
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I like GPR. It doesn't have the feel of a made up word. It feels honest.
If you read some of the articles on the Brady websites you will see some buzz words like "crime guns", "reasonable gun control", "common sence gun laws" and others.
I think it is a great ieda that we in the gun community use terms like "Home Defence Rifle", "Home land Security Rifle, or for hunters use "Substanance Procurment Rifle".
I think it is a great ieda that we in the gun community use terms like "Home Defence Rifle", "Home land Security Rifle, or for hunters use "Substanance Procurment Rifle".
The Grand Inquisitor
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This whole "Homeland Security" bollocks stikes me as very similar to "The Commitee for Public Safety".
WildeKurt
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Defense rifle sounds like a good word twist. (Aren't they all). The Homeland thing riminds me of Michael Chernoff. If a bigger piece of smooth talking bueraratic trash ever graced the halls of our country, I don't know who it was.
Euphimisms are great aren't they. Guess we could just call them semi automatic rifles or carbines. But too many words to make it on a Fox or CNN bit. Hate to make the audience have to think.
Euphimisms are great aren't they. Guess we could just call them semi automatic rifles or carbines. But too many words to make it on a Fox or CNN bit. Hate to make the audience have to think.
Deaf Smith
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How about 'Minuteman Defense Rifle' (MDR.) Or just plain 'Personal Defense Rifle (PDR.)
karz10
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This doesn't propose a new term for rifles, or any other guns, but does show how messed up the current terms and tags are being misused by the media...
Don't know this guy, but it's worth a look, and could be used as a tool to explain to someone what the media and brady people don't want you to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30&mode=related&search= Truth About Semi-Auto Firearms
I like it at the end, he strips an evil black rifle and a wooden hunting rifle and shows how they're basically the same mechanically, and then he completely strips the wooden rifle and then reassembles it as an evil black rifle w/ all the required AR accessories, but points out it's just an aesthetic change w/ minor feature changes, the gun is the same gun, to not get conned about how the media may categorize weapons, that trying to ban any weapon like this would ban millions of hunting, sport, and defense guns, which would obviously be insane.
I ran across that video while watching this video about gun myths /www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg where John Stossel pointed out that criminals don't buy guns in stores and couldn't care less about gun control laws, except that their main fear/deterrent is an armed citizen, imagine that. That video was mentioned on this thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=257729 where they also were talking about how kids are 100 times more likely to die in a house w/ a pool than a house w/ a gun.
I'm just saying that to reiterate that one way or another, the correct message needs to get out, and people need to fight back when the media and politicians inaccurately spin their agenda and attempt to brainwash the public.
Thanks.
Karz
Don't know this guy, but it's worth a look, and could be used as a tool to explain to someone what the media and brady people don't want you to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30&mode=related&search= Truth About Semi-Auto Firearms
I like it at the end, he strips an evil black rifle and a wooden hunting rifle and shows how they're basically the same mechanically, and then he completely strips the wooden rifle and then reassembles it as an evil black rifle w/ all the required AR accessories, but points out it's just an aesthetic change w/ minor feature changes, the gun is the same gun, to not get conned about how the media may categorize weapons, that trying to ban any weapon like this would ban millions of hunting, sport, and defense guns, which would obviously be insane.
I ran across that video while watching this video about gun myths /www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg where John Stossel pointed out that criminals don't buy guns in stores and couldn't care less about gun control laws, except that their main fear/deterrent is an armed citizen, imagine that. That video was mentioned on this thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=257729 where they also were talking about how kids are 100 times more likely to die in a house w/ a pool than a house w/ a gun.
I'm just saying that to reiterate that one way or another, the correct message needs to get out, and people need to fight back when the media and politicians inaccurately spin their agenda and attempt to brainwash the public.
Thanks.
Karz
DWARREN123
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Homeland Defense Firearms, Homeland Defense Vehicles. Everything I own is for Homeland Defense!
QuestionEverything
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"Self Defense Rifle" sounds better. If questioned, you can explain why a semi-automatic rifle is one of the best tools for self-defense. "Homeland" ties into the DHS and all the abrogations of freedom it entails. If you think playing word games is dishonorable, you might as well say using self-loading rifles in warfare is dishonorable. It's simply how politics works.
Amendment II
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
I’d say until something changes this amendment, firearms are defined as rifle, shotgun, handgun or pistol/revolver. As far as I’m concerned as a US citizen protected by the Bill of Rights I do not need to sugar coat terminology to appease anybody, especially the left sided media.
If the provisions of this amendment are challenged by corrupt special interests I would then refer them back to the first part of Amendment II.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
I’d say until something changes this amendment, firearms are defined as rifle, shotgun, handgun or pistol/revolver. As far as I’m concerned as a US citizen protected by the Bill of Rights I do not need to sugar coat terminology to appease anybody, especially the left sided media.
If the provisions of this amendment are challenged by corrupt special interests I would then refer them back to the first part of Amendment II.
saspic
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I'm surprised so many people have a problem with the word "homeland." Why would you allow the actions of a bunch of Nazi's in WWII to affect the English language in the 21st century? We won. Plus, it's a perfectly good word:
Hopefully we can stop fussing long enough to realize that the POINT is that the antis have successfully popularized the phrase "assault rifle" which hurts our 2nd amendment protections in public discourse. It seems silly, but it's a very real problem. Almost anything is better than "assault rifle."
Uninformed people really believe that there is a small class of firearms that is somehow much more threatening than friendly deer rifles. We need to reclaim the terminology to win this PR battle.
I like Homeland Defense Rifles, but there have been a couple of viable alternatives proposed:
There seems to be a strong anti federal sentiment here, which is fine, but consider that our homeland, the U.S.A., is all about the freedom of the individual. When you protect your house, family, your life, your property, you are defending your homeland.
Hopefully we can stop fussing long enough to realize that the POINT is that the antis have successfully popularized the phrase "assault rifle" which hurts our 2nd amendment protections in public discourse. It seems silly, but it's a very real problem. Almost anything is better than "assault rifle."
Uninformed people really believe that there is a small class of firearms that is somehow much more threatening than friendly deer rifles. We need to reclaim the terminology to win this PR battle.
I like Homeland Defense Rifles, but there have been a couple of viable alternatives proposed:
- Homeland Defense Rifle
- American Defense Rifle
- Defense Rifle
- Sport Utility Rifle
- General Purpose Rifle
- Minuteman Defense Rifle
- Personal Defense Rifle
- Second Amendment Rifle
- my personal contribution: Civilian Defense Rifle
("What's the difference?" "Mine goes 'Bang', and the army's goes 'BRAAAAAP!'")
" I just call my rifle what it is; a rifle."
Works for me.
I carry a rifle in the course of my proffession on a daily basis.
I am not ashamed of the fact that I make a living with firearms.
I chose to do so.
If someone has a problem with it, too bad.
I have privately owned firearms that I use when I am home in the U.S.
I am not ashamed of that fact.
I choose to own them, and use them in whatever legal manner I see fit.
If someone has a problem with that, too bad.
That being said, I try to be courteous and polite in my dealings and conduct myself in a respectful manner. I will not however play silly word games.
Works for me.
I carry a rifle in the course of my proffession on a daily basis.
I am not ashamed of the fact that I make a living with firearms.
I chose to do so.
If someone has a problem with it, too bad.
I have privately owned firearms that I use when I am home in the U.S.
I am not ashamed of that fact.
I choose to own them, and use them in whatever legal manner I see fit.
If someone has a problem with that, too bad.
That being said, I try to be courteous and polite in my dealings and conduct myself in a respectful manner. I will not however play silly word games.
FMJMIKE
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"American Security Arms"
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Our forefathers knew that in order to keep a tyrant or corrupt government from oppressing the citizens of America we the people had a right to keep and bear arms. Arms....Rifles..Handguns...Shotguns..... A militia back then was anybody who was physically able to carry said arm in defense of Country or themselves. This is a uniquely American concept. We need to educate people about the meaning of the Bill Of Rights. I think a non-assault rifle name should encompass the basis for its existance. My suggestion is "American Security Arms". How can you argue with American Security !!! These are Arms for American Security. Both for our country and citizens. We are in fact the last line of defense for our country. We need to portray our weapons as such.
A car can be used every day to drive to work legally. No problems. Yet the same car can be used to run down innocent pedestrians. Do you ban cars or do you prosecute the law breaker ??? Same thing with guns. We need to frame this arguement about gun bans the same way. Prosecute law breakers....don't take away our constitutional rights !!!
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Our forefathers knew that in order to keep a tyrant or corrupt government from oppressing the citizens of America we the people had a right to keep and bear arms. Arms....Rifles..Handguns...Shotguns..... A militia back then was anybody who was physically able to carry said arm in defense of Country or themselves. This is a uniquely American concept. We need to educate people about the meaning of the Bill Of Rights. I think a non-assault rifle name should encompass the basis for its existance. My suggestion is "American Security Arms". How can you argue with American Security !!! These are Arms for American Security. Both for our country and citizens. We are in fact the last line of defense for our country. We need to portray our weapons as such.
A car can be used every day to drive to work legally. No problems. Yet the same car can be used to run down innocent pedestrians. Do you ban cars or do you prosecute the law breaker ??? Same thing with guns. We need to frame this arguement about gun bans the same way. Prosecute law breakers....don't take away our constitutional rights !!!
bogie
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Guys, we're not gonna get them relableled. Because every time someone uses one of our politically correct terms, the audience is gonna say "Huh? Whazzat?"
Then you have to define what you just said - that loses momentum. And turns a soundbite into an "well, we just wasted our time with this bozo, so let's blank this tape and head downtown and see if anything is on fire."
Let's put the effort and thought into the battles we can win.
Then you have to define what you just said - that loses momentum. And turns a soundbite into an "well, we just wasted our time with this bozo, so let's blank this tape and head downtown and see if anything is on fire."
Let's put the effort and thought into the battles we can win.
MudCamper
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Defense rifles. OK. Rifles. Even better. Target rifles. OK. GPR. Hmm. OK. But "Homeland" Defense Rifles = evil gestapo rifle in my mind. Who here has any doubts that the governemt agency that will be in charge of sending the storm troopers to confiscate our firearms will be the Department of Homeland Security? Why name the rifle after such an evil organization?
jerkyman45
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The Germans invented the term assault rifle with their sturmgewher 44, and it just stuck as a classifying term for the new type of weapon. I think a different name might be suitable, considering how the media refers to just about any type of gun as an assault weapon. "today a man armed with a single shot black powder muzzle loading assault musket was arrested at the revolutionary war reenactment" blah blah blah
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