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HEY check this out guys!
that diagram is perfect for my image
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_...s_freed_phillips_with_simultaneous_shots.html
that diagram is perfect for my image
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_...s_freed_phillips_with_simultaneous_shots.html
Dark Skies
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Hungry Seagull +1 In my day you did your own research. Papers were a hell of a lot longer than nine pages too. I blame MTV.
Medusa
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Sniper team is by my opinion a sophisticated tactical weapon system, used to support the higher cause, not simply the current situation at hand. As they are highly trained, and it does take more than basic course to actually start to master the trade, they can be used to support infantry actions, or conduct independent missions. Using a sniper team for observation has one huge advantage - availability of precision fire, if the situation demands.
And true, modern sniper teams have evolved a lot, having different weapon systems available (like .338 LM which looks to be pretty good all-around anti-personnel round or fifty cal) when the shot has to be made, skills and means of covert observation/recon have evolved using modern technology. But in the end, the evolving process is first natural, supported by rapidly advancing technology, making new means and possibilities available, or bettering existing ones; and secondly, the role of a sniper team is changing accordingly to the changes in warfare - today's battles in A-stan and WWII's in Stalingrad, for example, are whole world different.
As the talk has gone to modern warfare which tends to be more vague and decentralized/ asymmetrical, the sniper team, as intelligent (not just "smart"), discriminating and precise weapon system is pretty suitable to root out one certain fellow in the market full of civilians, for example, also the only mark left of the team's existence would be the dead fellow and the bullet that hit him/her. And as the existing and probable adversaries will evolve too (stupid ones getting killed, leaving smart ones behind) and learn more that successful guerrilla tactics do include high explosives and precision fire, they will use snipers/sharpshooters too, so there is an increasing need of counter-sniping.
And because of the same reasons, the US military forces, for example, have increased the amount of snipers, and have put more emphasis on DM-s (either Designated Marksmen in squad level or Advanced DMs in platoon level), to increase the unit's range of aimed riflefire, ie having a small-time firesupport available at all times, giving a better chance against those insurgent snipers who have been a total menace in Iraq, for example, and I don't see any reason why current or future conflicts would be any different.
Sniper team is a very valuable addition to combat troops. It does not replace them - snipers can't take over a piece of land, but they surely can deny the enemy to do the same and conduct their plans by their will. Also a very important aspect of sniper warfare is psychological one. Knowing that there are enemy snipers around has huge impact on moral of the troops, especially if the enemy team is successful one. I have witnessed that on trainings here - movements tend to go slower and lower, during one of patrol competitions the inclusion of few sniper teams as counter-force had such a huge impact that half the assignments on the track had to be canceled to ensure that the competition would actually end when it was supposed to (within daylight), or that any team at all would actually make it to the finish line, but IIRC every contestant "died" at least few times.
ADDED: you can always drop a line in PM if you'd like educated opinion from the other side of the Atlantic - I do know quite a few people in that trade, I could forward direct questions.
And true, modern sniper teams have evolved a lot, having different weapon systems available (like .338 LM which looks to be pretty good all-around anti-personnel round or fifty cal) when the shot has to be made, skills and means of covert observation/recon have evolved using modern technology. But in the end, the evolving process is first natural, supported by rapidly advancing technology, making new means and possibilities available, or bettering existing ones; and secondly, the role of a sniper team is changing accordingly to the changes in warfare - today's battles in A-stan and WWII's in Stalingrad, for example, are whole world different.
As the talk has gone to modern warfare which tends to be more vague and decentralized/ asymmetrical, the sniper team, as intelligent (not just "smart"), discriminating and precise weapon system is pretty suitable to root out one certain fellow in the market full of civilians, for example, also the only mark left of the team's existence would be the dead fellow and the bullet that hit him/her. And as the existing and probable adversaries will evolve too (stupid ones getting killed, leaving smart ones behind) and learn more that successful guerrilla tactics do include high explosives and precision fire, they will use snipers/sharpshooters too, so there is an increasing need of counter-sniping.
And because of the same reasons, the US military forces, for example, have increased the amount of snipers, and have put more emphasis on DM-s (either Designated Marksmen in squad level or Advanced DMs in platoon level), to increase the unit's range of aimed riflefire, ie having a small-time firesupport available at all times, giving a better chance against those insurgent snipers who have been a total menace in Iraq, for example, and I don't see any reason why current or future conflicts would be any different.
Sniper team is a very valuable addition to combat troops. It does not replace them - snipers can't take over a piece of land, but they surely can deny the enemy to do the same and conduct their plans by their will. Also a very important aspect of sniper warfare is psychological one. Knowing that there are enemy snipers around has huge impact on moral of the troops, especially if the enemy team is successful one. I have witnessed that on trainings here - movements tend to go slower and lower, during one of patrol competitions the inclusion of few sniper teams as counter-force had such a huge impact that half the assignments on the track had to be canceled to ensure that the competition would actually end when it was supposed to (within daylight), or that any team at all would actually make it to the finish line, but IIRC every contestant "died" at least few times.
ADDED: you can always drop a line in PM if you'd like educated opinion from the other side of the Atlantic - I do know quite a few people in that trade, I could forward direct questions.
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Hungry Seagull
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And a internet help group straight to sniper school LOL.
Gawd, if this here youren internet was around in my day long ago... Id have the stuff done and chores finished the same day and bury teacher in paperwork.
Wait... I did bury the teacher in papers in college some years ago. The net just made it faster to generate with a printer.
Now that old number two pencil... (Uphill both ways etc) whew.
I was just thinking my local library needs to empty the books and upgrade with new books. Walking into that library is like walking back into the Carter administration. But I suppose with this here internet there isnt much need for a library anymore these days.
Gawd, if this here youren internet was around in my day long ago... Id have the stuff done and chores finished the same day and bury teacher in paperwork.
Wait... I did bury the teacher in papers in college some years ago. The net just made it faster to generate with a printer.
Now that old number two pencil... (Uphill both ways etc) whew.
I was just thinking my local library needs to empty the books and upgrade with new books. Walking into that library is like walking back into the Carter administration. But I suppose with this here internet there isnt much need for a library anymore these days.
svtruth
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There is an excellent
article in the most recent American Rifleman on the role of snipers in the American Revolution.
Good luck.
article in the most recent American Rifleman on the role of snipers in the American Revolution.
Good luck.
Maverick223
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Should be a Sophmore in college, and depending upon the course I can understand a 7-10 page paper. What class is it? I am going to guess philosophy, sociology, or maybe psychology.
Medusa
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Hungry Seagull, your messages seem to be, well, bitter, at least just a tad. Sure, "back the old days" there weren't internet and world was bigger, yet if there are means then these means have to be mastered - getting actually relevant and truthful information from the 'net takes a lot of practice and skill, just as getting info from books. Besides, books aren't upgradable in situ, unless someone writes in it or the book gets reprinted.
Nonetheless, I prefer good books to computer screen and libraries will not die, their role is also changing with time. "Lead, follow or get out of the way", or who doesn't evolve, dies.
Anyway, back to topic, even sniper team's composition haven't been unchanged: originally there were lone wolves, then sniper pairs which are generally considered as teams, but recently the teams have been widened, adding at least one man into the mix - perhaps a .50 cal with dedicated shooter if the distances and opposition requires it, more often a fourth too, who is not a sniper, but more an additional security measure, preferably with SAW. Or the dedicated sniper duo/trio has from half a squad to half a platoon for close support and security measure, because even 4-man teams have been ran over.
Nonetheless, I prefer good books to computer screen and libraries will not die, their role is also changing with time. "Lead, follow or get out of the way", or who doesn't evolve, dies.
Anyway, back to topic, even sniper team's composition haven't been unchanged: originally there were lone wolves, then sniper pairs which are generally considered as teams, but recently the teams have been widened, adding at least one man into the mix - perhaps a .50 cal with dedicated shooter if the distances and opposition requires it, more often a fourth too, who is not a sniper, but more an additional security measure, preferably with SAW. Or the dedicated sniper duo/trio has from half a squad to half a platoon for close support and security measure, because even 4-man teams have been ran over.
Hungry Seagull
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Medusa, Not too bitter.
I was the student that wolfed down lunch in 5 minutes and spent the next 45 finishing up the core homework from that morning classes.
I tried hard to keep my class average high enough so that the last term paper would not matter as long as the complete zero grade did not dent the average too much.
Not a good student, just one who tried hard to minimize pencil time and maximize sports time for the day. It was more important to be able to defend the quarterback from a Opponet team weighing twice yours than it was to shuffle papers in a dusty library.
We did have the old apple IIc's and II'es at the time in seperate rooms. But these assets were so tightly controlled and very little used by the students as to almost be a complete waste of funds and technology for the school year.
The internet improve my college experience and made it most helpful. But to try and help others with a assignment it's easier to point someone or oneself in a direction and let it go.
A time or two I had to take my class computer's network name and IP off the school and access the real internet through a proxy to get some materials otherwise restricted by the "System" as it were. That was a long time ago. Not possible today. My last teacher was a very good one and demonstrated to me my every move one afternoon on that class machine. Nothing illegal, just showing me what is possible when one has the right information in the right places.
I was the student that wolfed down lunch in 5 minutes and spent the next 45 finishing up the core homework from that morning classes.
I tried hard to keep my class average high enough so that the last term paper would not matter as long as the complete zero grade did not dent the average too much.
Not a good student, just one who tried hard to minimize pencil time and maximize sports time for the day. It was more important to be able to defend the quarterback from a Opponet team weighing twice yours than it was to shuffle papers in a dusty library.
We did have the old apple IIc's and II'es at the time in seperate rooms. But these assets were so tightly controlled and very little used by the students as to almost be a complete waste of funds and technology for the school year.
The internet improve my college experience and made it most helpful. But to try and help others with a assignment it's easier to point someone or oneself in a direction and let it go.
A time or two I had to take my class computer's network name and IP off the school and access the real internet through a proxy to get some materials otherwise restricted by the "System" as it were. That was a long time ago. Not possible today. My last teacher was a very good one and demonstrated to me my every move one afternoon on that class machine. Nothing illegal, just showing me what is possible when one has the right information in the right places.
Hungry Seagull
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And for the teacher to run said paper or in this case document file through a program searching for cribbing or whatever they call it is sad today.
I like the diagram of the lifeboat vs warship. The story of how the snipers got onto it and teamed up and saved a life is a story that will be told long after we are all gone.
I think it's a good picture for class. If you put it up on the board with me in there, I would be wanting to know several things.
How did the pirates end up with the captian?
How did they ever agree to be towed? (I think they were towed to set a range to snipe on... my theory)
And finally how did the snipers make it to the ship? This isnt something you break out of a deck locker with a bunch of deck hands working it.
The Biggest story I recall writing about in my time was how the Marines got blown up in Beruit. I knew absolutely nothing back then as a younger adult but after following up on that event, I got angry. But what good is it 25 years or more after it happened?
I will never forget those Marines. Maybe one day there will be payback if ever.
I like the diagram of the lifeboat vs warship. The story of how the snipers got onto it and teamed up and saved a life is a story that will be told long after we are all gone.
I think it's a good picture for class. If you put it up on the board with me in there, I would be wanting to know several things.
How did the pirates end up with the captian?
How did they ever agree to be towed? (I think they were towed to set a range to snipe on... my theory)
And finally how did the snipers make it to the ship? This isnt something you break out of a deck locker with a bunch of deck hands working it.
The Biggest story I recall writing about in my time was how the Marines got blown up in Beruit. I knew absolutely nothing back then as a younger adult but after following up on that event, I got angry. But what good is it 25 years or more after it happened?
I will never forget those Marines. Maybe one day there will be payback if ever.
Owen
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what class is this for?
A good aspect to use & easy to find info on would be the difference in Military vs Law Enforcement snipers. Specifically the distance at which targets are engaged.
Another thing I found interesting is the how the U.S. did not keep records of its sniping and had to start over war after war. You may find an angle there. For WWII a book written by a WWI sniper was used to get up to speed.
The Civil War sniping surprised me at some of the distances involved.
The aspect of going to a 2 man vs 1 man team may be a good topic.
Let us know what you end up with.
Another thing I found interesting is the how the U.S. did not keep records of its sniping and had to start over war after war. You may find an angle there. For WWII a book written by a WWI sniper was used to get up to speed.
The Civil War sniping surprised me at some of the distances involved.
The aspect of going to a 2 man vs 1 man team may be a good topic.
Let us know what you end up with.
sarduy
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I appreciate all of the wonderful, helpful comments! I have not been on the computer as much lately, so have been not keeping up to date here.
I am a sophmore in college, and I don't know why or need the bashing against me. All I was asking was for ideas on visual arguments, such as the one I posted. A picture. And some statistics that I could graph. I have been doing all of my own work, I was just looking and hoping for a direction to run towards. I am thankful for the ones who have been thoughtful,mature, and informative.
I am taking all of the comments into consideration.
This is actually a research paper for one of my english classes. This class is online based, and so I have the ability to search the web a lot easier than going to the library.
Thanks
I am a sophmore in college, and I don't know why or need the bashing against me. All I was asking was for ideas on visual arguments, such as the one I posted. A picture. And some statistics that I could graph. I have been doing all of my own work, I was just looking and hoping for a direction to run towards. I am thankful for the ones who have been thoughtful,mature, and informative.
I am taking all of the comments into consideration.
This is actually a research paper for one of my english classes. This class is online based, and so I have the ability to search the web a lot easier than going to the library.
Thanks
sarduy
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don't forget to try this link, and watch it to the end
good intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfrQq...eature=related
Maverick223
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YouTube Quote...
Did it have a third hand? I've often wanted a third hand.
Sunray
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"...visual arguments..." Arguing what? Stats of what? A visual argument?
"...a lot easier than going to the library..." Not as much real info though. While the Internet is a great research tool, there's also a great deal of nonsense promulgated too. Go read some books.
"...Snipercentral.com..." How many kills a serving sniper has doesn't matter. Like Medusa says, snipers don't work alone and they're very highly trained PBI troopies. They do a job and they don't talk about it. Real combat vets never do.
"...a lot easier than going to the library..." Not as much real info though. While the Internet is a great research tool, there's also a great deal of nonsense promulgated too. Go read some books.
"...Snipercentral.com..." How many kills a serving sniper has doesn't matter. Like Medusa says, snipers don't work alone and they're very highly trained PBI troopies. They do a job and they don't talk about it. Real combat vets never do.
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