Hornady 9MM 147 gr bullets

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I have a few hundred Hornady 35597B (147 Gr) bullets that I want to use in a Taurus PT 92 AFS pistol. These are FMJ RN. I seated one bullet in a dummy round (unprimed case without powder) to the recommended 1.165" oal and it doesn't pass the plunk test. Can I seat them any deeper or am I just out of luck using them?
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recommended 1.165" oal

Recommended by whom? The chamber of the barrel of YOUR gun is your guide and determining factor OAL. That's a bit long, compared to many others that load that round.
 
Personally I would not recommend seating deeper. The number given in Hornady's manual, is their recommended minimum. In fact most if not all COL numbers in published manuals are minimum. You can always go longer without issue, as long as you stay within SAAMI maximum spec for your given round.

As far as your issue, I would suggest measuring your complete round and compare the dimensions to SAAMI 9mm specs.

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Personally I would not recommend seating deeper. The number given in Hornady's manual, is their recommended minimum. In fact most if not all COL numbers in published manuals are minimum. You can always go longer without issue, as long as you stay within SAAMI maximum spec for your given round.

As far as your issue, I would suggest measuring your complete round and compare the dimensions to SAAMI 9mm specs.


The drawing you posted shows 1.0-1.169". Most sources are showing that bullet at 1.1 to 1.13 for their testing.


OPs load is near maximum length. OP is testing with a dummy load. Simply keep seating it deeper in tiny increments until it passes plunk test. Measure it? Is it within specs? Then you are good to go. Start at MINIMUM charges keeping in mind that the deer it is seated, the higher the pressure.
 
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What powder are you going to use? Maybe take a second look at the situation based on a recipe from a powder mfr. IE: Alliants 2016 book is showing a load for a 147gr FP using BE-86 seated to 1.080
 
I reload 147 and heavier bullets of various brands. I always have to seat them deeper than 1.16 OAL to get them to pass the plunk test -- much deeper. One of my recipes has me seating them to 1.08 to fit into tight chambers. They perform fine, chrono where they should, and show no signs of overpressure.
 
I start at 1.15" with 147s and adjust as necessary for the gun and specific bullet profile. Lots of people run them at 1.10 or less. Seat them deeper.
 
I sent a message to Hornady to see what they would say. Below is the reply.

Mr. xxxxx,

Thank you for your inquiry. The SAAMI minimum is 1.00”. Feel free to test as long as the bullet is not seated past the bearing surface.

Thank you and have a great day.



From: Hornady Manufacturing, Inc [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:30 PM
To: tech <[email protected]>
Subject: "Technical Inquiries" Contact from xxxxx
 
Load Master said:
I would not recommend seating deeper.
So how will OP chamber the rounds to fire?

The listed OAL/COL in the published load data is simply the length used for measuring peak average pressures in the universal test barrel fixture that is typically single action and do not feed from a magazine.

If you are reloading for semi-auto pistol that feeds from the magazine, you not only have to determine the maximum length that will fully chamber without hitting the start of rifling (Max OAL) but also the length that will reliably feed and chamber from the magazine (Working OAL) which can be the same as Max OAL but usually shorter.

If you are using OAL/bullet seating depth that is longer than listed in the load data, you do not need to adjust the powder charges but if I am using shorter OAL/seating depth, I will decrease the start/max charge proportional to the OAL/seating depth reduction (often .2-.3+ gr).

SAAMI max length for 45ACP 230 gr FMJ/RN is 1.275". While SAAMI max will work in various 1911 barrels like SA/RIA and even M&P45/PT145, my railed Sig 1911 XO has very short leade (almost none) and I need to use shorter 1.250"-1.265" lengths (depending on the bulllet manufacturer and bullet's ogive) to fully chamber. For RMR HM RN with shorter nose and longer bullet base, I need to use 1.230" for most of my 45ACP pistols and even shorter 1.200" for Sig 1911.

OP, seat the bullet deeper until the round fully chambers without hitting the start of rifling and function check by feeding from the magazine. If the bullet seating depth is significantly deeper, I would reduce the start/max charges.

If you check the comparison pictures below, factory PMC 230 gr FMJ is not loaded to SAAMI max of 1.275" but to 1.255" while factory Remington 230 gr FMJ is loaded to 1.258" and factory CCI 230 gr FMJ is loaded to 1.270"

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As always, a big thank you to bds for a clear, meaningful and rational answer! All that he said was in my head when I posted post #2 above, which contained your answer.

Books aren't the end-all-be-all, they're guides. Your barrel/chamber is the end-all-be-all to fit problems, and if you know how it all works, you can make safe changes to the various "moving pieces to the puzzle" in order to get the loads working in YOUR firearm.

Remember, most companies don't even use real firearm barrels/chambers... They use test equipment.

Now go get those loaded up, enjoy shooting them and give us a report! :)
 
I would go deeper, I usually start at 1.15 or so and then can go even a bit shorter and adjust the powder quantity
 
Thanks much to all. I have yet to load them, as I have tested 5 dummy rounds with plunk test and feeding from the magazine. During the week I'll load 20 for test. Since it's been a cold rainy weekend here, maybe next weekend I can get to the range.
 
There is a lot of good information in this thread, but I kind of feel like I stepped on someones toes by my comment that "I would not recommend seating deeper."

I should have been clearer with my comment. Sorry.

My point and what I obviously failed to articulate, I didn't want someone taking published data and reducing COL without taking into account the need to reduce the powder charge.

bds, your write up is a great explanation and nice photos of the different rounds. I enjoyed reading your write up.
 
Thanks much to all. I have yet to load them, as I have tested 5 dummy rounds with plunk test and feeding from the magazine. During the week I'll load 20 for test. Since it's been a cold rainy weekend here, maybe next weekend I can get to the range.

Where did you get them? Are they #35597?

Just curious, they show as discontinued in my 9mm one caliber book.
 
Anyone have any idea why they would be listed as discontinued? I do see Midway lists the part number a 35597B. Has Hornady brought them back?
 
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