rbernie
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I ask:
Guess that's that.
and the reply is:
Guess that's that.
Hornady LeveRevolution Bullets
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Coltdriver
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Thats too bad. I was hoping to load some up for a 450 Marlin barrel on an Encore.
Hopefully a competitor will come out with some.
Hopefully a competitor will come out with some.
Joemidd
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That Sucks
I wanted some for my 30-30 and 450 marlin. Oh well I guess that is the same as the 200 SST I want for my 460S&W. For a company that sell its red reloading press. Not selling the lastest componets is just a bad mojo.
I wanted some for my 30-30 and 450 marlin. Oh well I guess that is the same as the 200 SST I want for my 460S&W. For a company that sell its red reloading press. Not selling the lastest componets is just a bad mojo.mtnbkr
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Why would you need them for a single shot rifle? I thought the big benefit was a spitzer point that was safe in tube magazines...Coltdriver said:
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Coltdriver
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It has a little better flight dynamics. And if you can reload em, why not?
I will buy some to try it out but it would be fun to reload some too.
I will buy some to try it out but it would be fun to reload some too.
Awww man!
I was planning on getting a Marlin and having it rechambered to 30-30AI just for reloading this ammo... would have made for a smokin' hog and deer load in a traditional lever.
I think I just might stop buying Hornady components altogether for that....
I read the breathless writeups in the usual rags and have a couple questions.
As the soft tip exits the magazine tube, does it ever hang up on the typically rough, sharp edges? What kind of feeding malfunctions can one expect, and what are the recommended solutions?
If the tip is soft enough to deform under mag-tube spring pressure, does it also deform under the massive acceleration experienced during firing?
If so, does this deformation also apply to lateral expansion as the bullet begins to spin down the bore? Does the soft tip slouch over to the side as the bullet spins? (2000fps, 20" twist = nearly 72,000RPM)
As the bullet exits the muzzle with the (I presume) deformed and flapping tip, and regardless of the magazine claims, how does this affect accuracy and terminal performance in the real world?
Now granted, I've been proven wrong by Hornady before (17HMR and Mk2, 204Ruger) and love their bullets (223 V-Max!!), but this whole thing feels like snake oil to me.
As the soft tip exits the magazine tube, does it ever hang up on the typically rough, sharp edges? What kind of feeding malfunctions can one expect, and what are the recommended solutions?
If the tip is soft enough to deform under mag-tube spring pressure, does it also deform under the massive acceleration experienced during firing?
If so, does this deformation also apply to lateral expansion as the bullet begins to spin down the bore? Does the soft tip slouch over to the side as the bullet spins? (2000fps, 20" twist = nearly 72,000RPM)
As the bullet exits the muzzle with the (I presume) deformed and flapping tip, and regardless of the magazine claims, how does this affect accuracy and terminal performance in the real world?
Now granted, I've been proven wrong by Hornady before (17HMR and Mk2, 204Ruger) and love their bullets (223 V-Max!!), but this whole thing feels like snake oil to me.
Poodleshooter
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I'm sure this will be useful to all of those who need to make 300yard hunting shots,and choose to do so with their 30/30s.
Coltdriver
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If you look at the bullets you can see that there is less tip to deform in flight than others like the vmax.
I also noticed that they lightened up the bullet a bit.
Still would have been a nice addition to a reloaders already immense options.
I also noticed that they lightened up the bullet a bit.
Still would have been a nice addition to a reloaders already immense options.
Carl N. Brown
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Don't Hornady, Speer and everyone else spend a lot of lab time
testing before they consider releasing their products to us home
loaders?
They may want to establish the reputation of LeveRevolution
with factory loads under their control before releasing the components
to the reloading and handloading public.
I would not blame Hornady for not releasing the leverevolution
components until they are fool proof, cause fools like me can be
pretty ingenious on ways to muck up a reload or handload.
testing before they consider releasing their products to us home
loaders?
They may want to establish the reputation of LeveRevolution
with factory loads under their control before releasing the components
to the reloading and handloading public.
I would not blame Hornady for not releasing the leverevolution
components until they are fool proof, cause fools like me can be
pretty ingenious on ways to muck up a reload or handload.
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rbernie
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You can roll your eyes all you want, but significantly less wind drift and drop at 200 yards is nothing to sneeze at if it's relatively free for the taking.I'm sure this will be useful to all of those who need to make 300yard hunting shots,and choose to do so with their 30/30s.
In this case, it's a moot point - the components aren't available. That means that we can't test 'em out and see firsthand how they stack up against the traditional flatnose/roundnose fodder. But I woulda been willing to put them thru their paces, if only to increase my comfort level at 200 yard shots.
The Bushmaster
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Oldnamvet...I have a better idea or the solution that I have been using for years in my .30-30 Winchester...I load a 165 grain Speer soft point flat base in the chamber and fill the tube with three or four Speer 170 grain FNSP...First shot is a doozy and the followups ain't bad either...
Actually, that has nothing to do with it.
Having a lever action that is retro-authentic (unlike the browning BLR) with a tube mag (unlike the Savage 99 and BLR) that shoots 30-30 or 45-70 bullets that don't lose something like 200fps per 100 feet would be the goal.
Hunting around me is 35-75 yards, unless there's a powerline clearcut, then it can extend from there.
Having a rifle that could do all that (handy in brush, and being able to reach out far if needed) meant a bolt gun, like my 280Rem 700 Mountain rifle.
I'd like to have my cake, and eat it too, by being able to use a quick-handling lever action out to 250 instead. The fact that it would hit much harder at 75 is even more icing on the cake.
Poodleshooter
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Since you aroused my curiosity, I ran the numbers using the BC for Remington 150gr spitzers and round noses, both at 30/30 velocities of 2390fps. The difference in the maximum trajectory heights for a 200yd zero amounts to 6/10's of an inch. The spitzer rises no more than 3.1" above the bore with a 200yd zero,and the round nose no more than 3.7". I sure couldn't tell you the difference between them in a field situation,shooting at a 100yd target with a 200yd zeroed rifle. I'll concede that the drift gives a big 3-4" advantage to the spitzer. Free for the taking is probably not going to be very descriptive of these bullets if they ever sell them. I pay about .10 apiece for Remington CoreLokt roundnoses. I can practice a lot more with those and that will definitely increase my own comfort level.rbernie said:
I like traditional leverguns too,but I can't remember the last time I took more than 2 consecutive shots while hunting with one. I'd say that based on my experience, I'd go with what most of the others are saying: loading regular or premium spitzers or even boattailed spitzers, with one in the chamber and one in the tube makes much more sense than using this ammo. It only gives a benefit over handloads once you get to that third shot in the field. There's no point at all at the range,where everything can be single loaded. I'm sure that I can get less drop and wind resistance single loading a Hornady A-max in my Winchester 94.
For us reloaders, this is an answer in search of a question.
The Bushmaster
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Hear, here...Poodleshooter...As I said above I load a pointed bullet in the chamber and load standard flat nose in the tube...Nine times out of ten it's the first shot that counts. The second if needed and the third is a "Screw You" shot...
Crosshair
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*Starts pulling bullets, selling on black market.*
The Bushmaster
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Crosshairs...To tell the truth...I really don't think they will sell that well, because I am in agreement with the fact that a nose that soft resting against the next round as long as it will be in a days hunt can't keep its shape. In the mountains where I hunt they would take quite a beating in a tube magazine as it is. I still like my way best as it is tried and tested. As Poodleshooter said it will not improve the .30-30 that much, but just enough to give better impact at the same ranges that the .30-30 lever guns were designed for in the first place. I have experimented with pointed bullets for a number of years in my Mod 94. If you think you are going to make a bean field shooter out of a Marlin (parish the thought) or a Winchester lever gun, you are sadly mistaken. And they put scopes on them too...I have a problem with this too. Unless you are getting blind and can't see the rear sight anymore, you can see farther then the rifle can shoot effectively. (Effective range for the Lever gun: .30-30 170 grain FN 20" barrel is 150 to 200 yards. At 2150 fps... 250 yards is stretchin' it a bit. It's a heavy brush and thick timber rifle...
According to Hornady, they loaded a bunch into a tube and dropped it 30 ft, several times. And the polymer tip is supposed to outlast any mag spring. Just got some myself. The tip isn’t really soft, felt more like hard plastic.
Saw the (pulled) 30/30 bullet in a magazine today. It’s a “boat-tail”.
Saw the (pulled) 30/30 bullet in a magazine today. It’s a “boat-tail”.
As Poodleshooter said it will not improve the .30-30 that much, but just enough to give better impact at the same ranges that the .30-30 lever guns were designed for in the first place. I have experimented with pointed bullets for a number of years in my Mod 94. If you think you are going to make a bean field shooter out of a Marlin (parish the thought) or a Winchester lever gun, you are sadly mistaken. And they put scopes on them too...I have a problem with this too. Unless you are getting blind and can't see the rear sight anymore, you can see farther then the rifle can shoot effectively. (Effective range for the Lever gun: .30-30 170 grain FN 20" barrel is 150 to 200 yards. At 2150 fps... 250 yards is stretchin' it a bit. It's a heavy brush and thick timber rifle...
Aptly said. If you want a bean field rifle, get one. I like my 20" barreled Win 94 with No Scope. 200 yards and in they are in serious trouble. I have a .308 if I want to hunt where I need more range.
It would be a nice option for the reloader. Hornady is missing out on a market by not offering. But as business goes, particular ammo manufacturers of late, they are busy keeping the governement happy at this time. Hence the ridiculous ammo prices of late.
In Oregon, particularly in the coast range and Cascade mountains, you won't likely be getting shots beyond 50 yards in that thick brush. However, you often see your quarry on the other side of the canyon, you might want that extra reach potential in that case.
Out in the desert east of the cascades, unless you want to belly crawl, your quarry can see you coming a loooong ways off. You will need/want a different cartridge and rifle in this case.
In Oregon, particularly in the coast range and Cascade mountains, you won't likely be getting shots beyond 50 yards in that thick brush. However, you often see your quarry on the other side of the canyon, you might want that extra reach potential in that case.
Out in the desert east of the cascades, unless you want to belly crawl, your quarry can see you coming a loooong ways off. You will need/want a different cartridge and rifle in this case.
MarshallDodge
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Correct me if I am wrong but the LeveRevolution round's performance is not just based on the bullet but the powder used as well. I thought I read somewhere that the powder they use is a special blend?
Either way they should release the bullets to the public. We always seem to find better ways to put them to use.
Either way they should release the bullets to the public. We always seem to find better ways to put them to use.
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I really don’t think any of them uses “special blends”. It’ll cut into their profit margin.
If a run of a certain ammo uses say a ton of powder. And a “special blend” runs just a dollar more per pound (and I’m sure it’ll be more), that’s a $2000 profit loss over using an over the counter powder. They could just add it to the price, but then they’ll sell less of it.
And end up losing even more.
If a run of a certain ammo uses say a ton of powder. And a “special blend” runs just a dollar more per pound (and I’m sure it’ll be more), that’s a $2000 profit loss over using an over the counter powder. They could just add it to the price, but then they’ll sell less of it.
And end up losing even more.
MarshallDodge
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Do you have any facts to back up your statement?
Hornady charges 90 cents more a round for the Leverevolution:
Hornady price link
Hornady charges 90 cents more a round for the Leverevolution:
Hornady price link
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