Hornady M2 case tumbler. Your inputs, please.

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So, long story short, I had ordered a Berry's tumbler from Brownells Spain and got it on Monday. Bad news is that I found an American plug on it and suspected that if I plugged it to the socket, something bad could happen. I have adaptors for some other stuff that uses different sockets than those we use in Spain, but I remembered that you guys use 110V. I called them and they admitted their mistake, picked it up (no charge) and offered a good deal on a Hornady M2 case tumbler, which got home today.

I just finished tumbling a batch of 9 mm cases (250-300, roughly) in Lyman walnut media and the results have been good. Very good. Even though I think I won't be purchasing any more of this media because I don't like the reddish dust it leaves on the cases. But what I noticed is that after 4 hours of use, the movement of the media and the cases inside the bowl wass noticeably weaker than when I plugged it and the motor was still cold. They still tumbled fine and the cases got out nicely polished, but it made me frown. Supposedly, this is quality tumbler and I didn't expect it to get "tired" after a few hours of use. That's what my old Smart Reloader tumbler did, but that one is cheap and I kind of expected it to behave cheaply.

So, I have a week to test it and can ship it back if it doesn't satisfy me. I have more cases waiting to be tumbled and will do so tomorrow, but meanwhile, I'd love to hear your opinions and experiences on this tumbler. I have a used RCBS tumbler at hand that I could replace it for in case it's not as good as I expected it to be. How do they compare?. Is the RCBS any better than the Hornady or is it the other way around, or do they stand at the same level?.

As a note, one of my shooting buddies has one and he has no complains about it, although when I told him about the "loss of tumbling energy" after a few hours of use he told me that he usually leaves it running overnight, but that he would check if that effect happens on his unit as well.

Your inputs appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
Right, I have just watched this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyea40cnVWE

And it definitely does not behave the same way. I've loaded it with 300 cases of 9 mm and even though it's tumbling them in the same kind of wave-like motion, it definitely does not have the same kind of energy in the tumbling action.

I'm starting to think that I either got a lemon, or that the media (walnut, whereas this guy on the vid states to use corncob/walnut mixture) could be the culprit. I have a 10 lbs box of Lyman corncob on the shelf that I got with the tumbler. Could it be that walnut media is heavier than corncob and therefore it slows down the tumbling action?.
 
With new media and not overly dirty brass, they should be clean in 2 hours or so, Over night is crazy.

Check the nut inside the bowl to see if it is tight to the the center rod.

Do not overfill the unit with media. It should be around 3/4 full no more.

Put a few caps of some liquid car wax/polish in the media (like Nu Finish or whatever you have over there) That will knock down the dust. Put a USED dryer fabric sheet for dust also, If you do not use those, a paper towel ripped in 1/4s with some mineral spirits or the car wax.
 
Thanks for your guidance, Rule3. I did fill it up as per the instructions (half bowl, they say) and put 300 9mm cases in it. It does tumble them and the cascade effect is there, but it's slow.. :confused:. I expected it to be much more vigorous. I'll do add some mineral spirits to the media, though.

Something I've realized is that the RCBS tumbler looks exactly the same to the Hornady. It's like they were twin brothers :confused:. Looks like they are the same tumbler with a different tag name.

Anyway, I'm starting to think that I got a lemon and it'll be going back. I might get a Lyman 1200 instead.
 
Berry's MFG makes 220V model and I highly recommend the tumbler for larger capacity, powerful motor that is quieter, clear top, inline on/off switch, longer cord, etc.

Although Berry's advertises 1000 9mm cases as capacity, I usually tumble 600-800 cases in mine as loading 1000 cases will slow down the tumbling action (I fill the bowl with media to about 1.5"/4 cm below top)

With new fine grit walnut media (20-40 grit) and NuFinish polish with indoor range brass, I get clean brass with light polish in 20-30 minutes.

If I want mirror shine on my brass, I tumble cleaned brass in corn cob media with NuFinish polish for around 1+ hour.
 
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Tumblers need to run at a certain load. Try a little less brass and see if the speed picks up. Too much media can cause a problem too. Walnut hulls are heavier than corncob media. You said yours has the polish all ready added. This polish will slow the action down some due to friction. Add some 2x2 cleaning patches (paper towels, used drier sheets) to the bowl will help the polish action and control the dust. I use a 50/50 mix in my tumbler. I have a measuring scoop I use to measure how much brass to add. If you over load them they do turn the brass over slower. Better to be a little under for minimum time run. I've had started mine and for got about it a few time and had several days of tumbling before I got back to it. They really get shinny if you let them run that long. But my main purpose is to just remove the dirt.

Like said there is a small nut that connects to the motor. When these loosen action slows or even stops.
 
Do you possibly have a 50Hz power system and a 60Hz tumbler?

Sharp point here ;). You made me check both the label on the tumbler and what the actual values for voltage and frequency apply in Spain and, affirmative, it's 230V (correct) and 50 Hz, when the tumbler is rated at 230V and 60 Hz.

Do you think this 10 Hz difference is affecting the performance of the tumbler?. I don't have a tester at hand so as to check what the actual values in my place are, but I'll get one soon ;).
 
Do you think this 10 Hz difference is affecting the performance of the tumbler?.
Yes. Your tumbler is designed to work on a 60Hz power supply and will vibrate slower on your 50Hz supply than it would on a 60Hz supply. Hence, the difference between your tumbler's action and the one in the video.
 
Yes. Your tumbler is designed to work on a 60Hz power supply and will vibrate slower on your 50Hz supply than it would on a 60Hz supply. Hence, the difference between your tumbler's action and the one in the video.

So bad news here, I'm afraid. I'll have to make sure what frequency the Lyman is rated for, then.

Thanks ;).
 
Neither Lyman or Hornady have the frequency shown on their websites. RCBS does show their Sidewinder 230 v. model rated at 50 hz., but the price is high. You should contact either vendor or manufacturer for the ratings.

You can operate a 60 hz. motor on 50 hz. It will operate at reduced rpm and power. For both, you can determine the ratings by multiplying the listed ratings by 5/6 (83%). As long as the motor does not overheat you will not damage the motor.
 
Yes, the RCBS is 50 Hz, I've seen that in photo on the web. As for overheating, I realized the body of the tumbler (the part that contains the motor) was warm but wasn't "hot", if I explain myself correctly. Nonetheless, I could see the cascading effect wasn't as vigorous as when I plugged it and the motor was still cold.

Interesting what you say about the Thumlers. They can be purchased here but are pricey.
 
Do you have 220 V where you plug in the tumbler?? I am no electrician but that certainly would be an issue if the unit is not made for that unless you are using a converter.

As to Thumblers, yes they are pricy but are worth it. The quality of construction is better than my Lymans and it is much more efficient and very quite.

Is it this unit? The 220 V or the other 120 V?

http://www.brownells.es/epages/Iber...Products/37398749007128/SubProducts/749007315

Call them. If you bought it in Spain it should be the correct one for you voltage, but they seem to sell both. ?????????????
 
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Do you have 220 V where you plug in the tumbler?? I am no electrician but that certainly would be an issue if the unit is not made for that unless you are using a converter.

As to Thumblers, yes they are pricy but are worth it. The quality of construction is better than my Lymans and it is much more efficient and very quite.

Is it this unit? The 220 V or the other 120 V?

http://www.brownells.es/epages/Iber...Products/37398749007128/SubProducts/749007315

Call them. If you bought it in Spain it should be the correct one for you voltage, but they seem to sell both. ?????????????

The voltage is 220 nominal volts, correct. The tumbler is exactly as that one but labeled by Hornady. The lid on the top is the only difference, which made me think it's the same tumbler labeled by two different companies.

I'll call them tomorrow. I've been way too busy during both the weekend (shooting a match one day and working as a range officer the day after) and at work on Monday and Tuesday.

Thanks for your inputs everyone ;).
 
I've been using the same Thumler Tumbler UV-10 for ions, like probably 20 years. They're worth every penny if you consider that most tumblers crap out after a short time if used often, which is typical usage. I have forgotten about mine more times than I can remember, letting it run for several days, which BTW is an easy mistake to make considering how quiet they are. They are bullet proof.

But the great thing about them, is they are fan cooled, insulated ball bearing motors, and parts are available if maintenance should be necessary, though I've not had to replace anything on mine yet. I'll probably order a new bowl in the near future, and probably some new springs and seats. But other than that, it'll probably out live me.

I had an RCBS back in the early 90's, it worked great for about 3 months, then crapped out. The other issues I had with it, they will walk off the bench, so I had to surround it with two bags of lead shot to keep it from ending up on floor, and it was really loud, and it ran hot, which is likely why it didn't last very long.

For media, I've almost always used the treated Lyman Tuff Nut. It does leave a bunch of red rouge on the brass, but I solve that by tumbling in corn cob for 20-30 minutes after tumbling in the Tuff Nut. It comes out spic and span. I don't personally recommend using dryer sheets or anything else to collect the dust, as that red dust is mostly the jewelers rouge it's treated with that does such a nice job of cleaning.

GS
 
So, I have some news. I found the culprit. I was ready to ship my Hornady tumbler back to the shop I got it from, when I decided to ditch the old Lyman walnut media and give it a go with the (Lyman, too) corncob media. So I washed the bowl thoroughly (I was really fed up of that rouge tint on my cases :cuss:) and filled it up with the right amount of media (half bowl, as per the instructions) and approximately 400 cases of 9 mm. And the magic happened. The tumbler started tumbling properly, with a nice and vigorous cascading effect.

I decided to leave it running a couple of hours as I was leaving for the gym anyway, and would be out of home for a couple of hours. When I returned, I lifted the lid to find out that it was still tumbling in the same good fashion I had left a couple of hours before. The cases were already clean enough for reloading, but I'll leave them a couple extra hours tomorrow for a nice, shiny, and polished finish.

So, either the tumbler is media-sensitive, or that Lyman walnut media was wet, and who knows what on earth happened, but the problem looks solved. I had not liked the walnut media from the beginning, and I'm quite sure I won't be purchasing it again.

Thanks all for your inputs, anyway ;).
 
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