Hornady nitride 9mm with taper crimp.

[AR. Hillbilly]

I’ve been looking for a Lee carbide 4 die set with a factory crimp die.
I was at the LGS today. He got in some Hornady nitride in 9mm. For right around $50.00
Opinions about lease. I know now thing about nitride. mom not in a hurry on these.

 

[ParallelCode]

I'm happy with the Hornady custom grade titanium nitride die set, it replaced a Lee set for me.

 

[AR. Hillbilly]

I'm happy with the Hornady custom grade titanium nitride die set, it replaced a Lee set for me.

Do you need to lube the cases. ? Are they similar to carbide?

 

[ballman6711]

Do you need to lube the cases. ? Are they similar to carbide?

Yes, they are similar to carbide. No, you don't need to lube the cases. But, lubing the cases with carbide or titanium dies makes the lever pull effortless IMO. If you get them, try a few cases dry followed by a few lubed and you will see the difference.

chris

 

[ParallelCode]

Do you need to lube the cases. ? Are they similar to carbide?

I have never actually tried that particular die without lube -- Hornady Unique specifically.

 

[AJC1]

Lube has always been an option in case sizing. The ability to not use lube streamlined the process reducing the need for multiple cleaning processes. One would think if you intend to use lube why not use a die that has the advantage of sizing the case more correctly. Hardened rings produce a case with zero taper and is a total compromise to ensure proper neck tension. Why actively work to get the disadvantages of both?

 

[lordpaxman]

The Hornady nitride dies work fine. The big difference between them and the 4 set Lee dies is if you want a separate seat and crimp step. Hornady has the seat and crimp steps in one die. I suppose you could run a batch with it just set up for seating, and then re-run with the crimp, but, I’m one of “those people” that like a finished round with each pull of the handle.
Since I wet tumble, I do use one-shot lube on my cases. With carbide/nitride it’s not necessary but the lube does smooth the operations out. Good luck.

 

[Blue68f100]

After using a set of TiNi dies I ended up replacing all of my handgun dies with TiNi. The TiNi dies made the force required for sizing less than carbide. Then if you add a little OS it's ultra smooth. If you use lube you will need to clean the die ever so often to remove the wax build up. Hornady dies have a large radius on the mouth to work smoothly with AP presses.

 

[AR. Hillbilly]

The Hornady nitride dies work fine. The big difference between them and the 4 set Lee dies is if you want a separate seat and crimp step. Hornady has the seat and crimp steps in one die. I suppose you could run a batch with it just set up for seating, and then re-run with the crimp, but, I’m one of “those people” that like a finished round with each pull of the handle.
Since I wet tumble, I do use one-shot lube on my cases. With carbide/nitride it’s not necessary but the lube does smooth the operations out. Good luck.

Thank you for your response. these will be my first hand gun loads.
mall my experience is with bottle neck 223 and 25-06.
I have hornady American dies for 223 and had the seat and crimp in one die. I replaced those with Lee for the purpose of a separate seat and crimp. I like the FCD especially with mixed brass.
I believe I’ll wait and buy the Lee 4 die set.

 

[jmorris]

I’ve been looking for a Lee carbide 4 die set with a factory crimp die.
I was at the LGS today. He got in some Hornady nitride in 9mm. For right around $50.00
Opinions about lease. I know now thing about nitride. mom not in a hurry on these.

Is a taper crimp, on an case that is tapered, still a taper crimp? Suppose it depends on the two angles.

$60 isn’t a ton of money, I would buy instead of lease, my mom taught me as a kid not to even put things on layaway, so rent or lease is right out.

Lee dies are great for 9mm too.

I lube spill cheek two.

 

[243winxb]

The RCBS 9mm has a coated M type expander. A tungsten carbide tapered sizing die. And taper crimp die.
My new set works great. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?media/rcbs-expander-m-type-9mm-strange-black-coating.3604/

 

[Dudedog]

I have both the Lee set and the Hornady set.
I use the Lee sizer (it sizes tighter) the Hornady Seater, and the Lee FCD.
THe Hornady Tit-nitride die is smoother than the Lee carbide die with no lube but as I said the Lee sizes tighter (both of my Lee dies do, I have 2 sets)

 

[sugarmaker]

The Hornadys are good dies, I like the seater better than Lee but use the Lee PTX with a lee measure that stays set up for 9mm, so I have both. On a progressive press it’s handy to have a little taper at the mouth of the sizer, for single stage it doesn’t matter. My lee sizer is older (1980?) and is pretty square so I use the Hornady. 9mm is so small that it really doesn’t matter whether it’s TiN or just carbide, the effort isn’t much different. Can’t speak to recent prices but the Hornady dies will serve you well as would a Lee set. Personally I prefer Hornady but I own a lot of lee stuff also.

 

[LiveLife]

9mm

Hardened rings produce a case with zero taper and is a total compromise to ensure proper neck tension. Why actively work to get the disadvantages of both?

9mm is a tapered case and I prefer a sizer die that is tapered.

Lee uses tapered carbide sizer and resized cases have smooth "tapered" lines to case base instead of narrowing from straight carbide sizer dies.

Is a taper crimp, on an case that is tapered, still a taper crimp? Suppose it depends on the two angles.

Below is a picture of larger .356" sized MBC 124 gr RN seated in Lee sized brass. Notice the tapered lines to case base yet .378" taper crimp at the case mouth.

 

[Walkalong]

9mm is a tapered case and I prefer a sizer die that is tapered.

Lee uses tapered carbide sizer and resized cases have smooth "tapered" lines to case base instead of narrowing from straight carbide sizer dies.

Yep, old Lee 9MM sizer here as well.

 

[film495]

I use the Hornady dies for 9mm. I lube like every 5th or 8th case just to make the arm easier to work. Note - my dies are a roll crimp and not a taper crimp. Works fine, but - it raised some questions for me why they even produce the dies with a roll crimp and not a taper crimp, but a light crimp works fine, ammo works and passes all function tests, dies easy to use and set up and clean. I find the Hornady dies to be a bit more slick, than RCBS dies. They are designed a bit different, and I get a kick out of the floating seater stem, not sure if it works any better - but, it seems like to woudl help guide the bullet up into the die and center it better. I have RCBS dies for other cartrdiges, but Hornady was available when I was looking, and I like them, they work good - and happy to try somethin a bit different from what I'm used to.

 

[Kaldor]

I’ve been looking for a Lee carbide 4 die set with a factory crimp die.
I was at the LGS today. He got in some Hornady nitride in 9mm. For right around $50.00
Opinions about lease. I know now thing about nitride. mom not in a hurry on these.

I have the Hornady set youre asking about. Ive loaded ALOT of 9mm with it.
Thoughts?
The sizing die works great, dry or with a light spritz of OneShot.
The expander die is very blunt. It works, but I switched to an M-die as it requires less overall flare
The seater die can be setup to crimp, but I backed the crimper off, and have used a Lee FCD since day one as I had the open station in my LnL and didnt want to screw with it.

Overall? Its a competent set, but you may want to swap the expander and separate the seater/crimper.

 

[AR. Hillbilly]

I have the Hornady set youre asking about. Ive loaded ALOT of 9mm with it.
Thoughts?
The sizing die works great, dry or with a light spritz of OneShot.
The expander die is very blunt. It works, but I switched to an M-die as it requires less overall flare
The seater die can be setup to crimp, but I backed the crimper off, and have used a Lee FCD since day one as I had the open station in my LnL and didnt want to screw with it.

Overall? Its a competent set, but you may want to swap the expander and separate the seater/crimper.

Yes sir. I’ve not had much luck with seating and crimping in one die. tried it with mixed brass and really had no luck. That’s my only reason for wanting the Lee 4 die set. This will go on an RCBS pro 2000 5 station.

 

[LiveLife]

I’ve not had much luck with seating and crimping in one die. tried it with mixed brass and really had no luck. That’s my only reason for wanting the Lee 4 die set.

If you only return the flare back flat on the bullet or skosh more, you can seat and taper crimp with one die. Adding .022" to the bullet diameter will accomplish this without even leaving an imprint on the bullet. When the flared mouth approaches the bullet, amount of seating movement is so slight that there's no real issue. Now, if you are over crimping, yes, you will end up digging into the bullet.

Here's RMR FMJ sized .3555" with .378" taper crimp applied with Lee combo seat/taper crimp die.

And here's MBC Hi-Tek coated RN sized larger at .356" with .378" taper crimp (No, I do not shave the bullet during seating)

 

[Kaldor]

Yes sir. I’ve not had much luck with seating and crimping in one die. tried it with mixed brass and really had no luck. That’s my only reason for wanting the Lee 4 die set. This will go on an RCBS pro 2000 5 station.

Either brand is honestly fine. Pistol dies are pretty much pistol dies. One thing I really like about the Hornady dies is the seater which is far superior to the Lee with the sliding collar on it to hold the bullet straight as you seat. Throw in a cheap Lee taper crimp die and have at it IMHO. I dont think there is a huge difference between the expanders from either company, so thats a wash, and the Lyman M-die is about 100 times better.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Dies made with Titanium Nitride make sizing extremely smooth and effortless, even more than with Carbide. I use Lee dies for all my handgun reloading. They work just fine but I did buy a Hornady Titanium Nitride sizing die that was on sale and stupid cheap for the 45 Auto.