- Joined
- Nov 26, 2018
- Messages
- 33
They have raised the velocity of the 180gr XTP to 1275 fps and the 155 XTP up to 1410 fps.
I currently carry Underwood 165gr Gold Dots in my Glock 29.
I currently carry Underwood 165gr Gold Dots in my Glock 29.
Yeah, but what barrel length were these shot from? 10 inches? lol.
About 10mm/.40 bullets not being built for the higher velocity of full power 10mm, my solution is make all 200 grain HP bullets for the higher velocity. They'll never see use in .40 S&W guns, so no point in watering 200 grain ammo down at all IMO. While I'm a person who normally likes a bit lighter bullet (115 in 9mm, 165 in .40 S&W are my preferred loads) when I shoot 10mm, I want the heaviest bullet I can get that's a hollow point. Sectional Density for a 200 grain 10mm is .179, while 230 grain .45 is .162, not to mention the 10mm would be traveling around 350 fps faster.
Not that those numbers are particularly stout, but what if everyone starts shooting full (equal to the norma 200 gr at 1200+ fps) rounds. How many were designed for the weak rounds? I have quite a few 10mms and not all that many I'd trust to eat a constant diet of full bore 10mm. I'm betting a lot of 1911 owners would be complaining about premature wear. The glocks and smiths and perhaps the witness, have Been shooting it since it was in the original norma box but most were designed post-watered down ammo, and many in the last 2-3 years. I fear if many manufacturers go back to that level the 10mm will again get a reputation for battering guns
Cooper's original specs were a 200gr at 1100, but they thought Norma wouldnt meet it, so they raised their request, but Norma beat their asked for numbers.
The only people that need to be careful are the ones that own early Delta Elite models. Seems like everything else can handle it.
I dont like it. Unless they changed the box or something at least. There are many 10s coming out. If everyone ups the power level, then how many will fail prematurely. Not that those numbers are particularly stout, but what if everyone starts shooting full (equal to the norma 200 gr at 1200+ fps) rounds. How many were designed for the weak rounds? I have quite a few 10mms and not all that many I'd trust to eat a constant diet of full bore 10mm. I'm betting a lot of 1911 owners would be complaining about premature wear. The glocks and smiths and perhaps the witness, have Been shooting it since it was in the original norma box but most were designed post-watered down ammo, and many in the last 2-3 years. I fear if many manufacturers go back to that level the 10mm will again get a reputation for battering guns
Or +p in a 9mm
I've seen video of the C. Duty .40 S&W shot from a 16 inch carbine into gel, basically at the same velocity of warm 10mm from a pistol, and the bullet holds up fine. I was so impressed by Duty to not fall apart from high velocity that it's my personal choice for home defense PCCs.5". So expect 15-20 fps less from a G20 and 90-100 less from a G29. I have the new Hornady catalog. Numbers are already changed there and on the new boxes. I've been emailing them monthly encouraging them to make some real 10mm. Now if they'd make the Critical Duty full steam.
I've seen video of the C. Duty .40 S&W shot from a 16 inch carbine into gel, basically at the same velocity of warm 10mm from a pistol, and the bullet holds up fine. I was so impressed by Duty to not fall apart from high velocity that it's my personal choice for home defense PCCs.
In this case the xtp will hold up fine. Most of us who have hunted with a 10mm have loaded the xtp hotter than that for years. I've taken many deer with 180 and 200 grain xtp.
It's not my first choice for self defense, but when I'm carrying in the woods I wouldn't hesitate to use it. With decent placement I think it would be just fine. I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use it for sd.
Not every round fired from a gun has to be the most powerful round that gun can handle. I fire a wide range of power levels in my 10mm's... to me, that's part of the beauty of that cartridge. It's the semi-auto equivalent of the .357 in terms of flexibility.
I drive a pretty quick car... but I don't floor it at every stoplight, and I don't hit 150 (or even 90) every time I get open road.
Within saami spec, give it to me- hotter the better. If it gobbles up your gun then you have an excuse to get a new one.
Honestly though, when people worry about wearing out a gun its odd to me. As long as its a proper firearm its likely going to cost well over $10,000 in factory ammo to wear out a what $500-$1000 gun? Thats the price of shooting pleasure. If it only costs a couple hundred to wear out your gun then you got ripped off. Ive only really worn out one gun, maybe worn out is the wrong term. A sig 1911 , i used to be able to get ww2 era surplus 45acp for $50 for 2 shovel scoops and i just hammered that poor thing until the bushing was worn out, locking lugs were sloppy and the whole thing rattled (30,000 rounds i estimate but i really dont know). Still worked most of the time but accuracy suffered. Im sure the guy who bought it fixed her up though