BullfrogKen
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gamestalker, that just means the stuff you load is the same stuff everyone else loads.
Hornady Temp Suspends Some Products
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ole farmerbuck
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It doesnt bother me either. I have enough 40 - 55gr v-max and z-max and 52grA-max bullets to feed my AR's for the next 5 years anyway.
No one has commented on the suspended ammo. 380, 38 Special, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 44 Magnum, 45 ACP & 45 Colt are hardly exotic calibers. If they can't produce these common handgun cartridges for the consumer until next year (if then) the anti-gun left has won a major victory already. If you can't get ammo what good is the gun. If small dealers can't stock their shelves how long are they going to stay in business. No products...no customers. And it's not just Hornady.
Dave
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The list of suspended cartridges shows 6 types of .45 ACP that are being suspended. Their website shows that they produce roughly 24 different bullets for the .45 ACP. From that I figure they are still producing 18 different bullets for the .45 ACP...I have no problem with that.
They are likely culling the lowest selling items from the lineup and reinvesting the time in items that are more in demand.
Jesse Heywood
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Where one manufacturer withdraws from the market, another will fill the need. Free enterprise works.
BullfrogKen
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Dave,
What are you talking about?
Hornady Lists Bullet and Ammo Types That Remain in Production
They announced that ALL those loaded calibers will remain in production. They are suspending production on what doesn't sell as well. But they have the common bullet weights in each of those different caliber still available.
What are you talking about?
Hornady Lists Bullet and Ammo Types That Remain in Production
They announced that ALL those loaded calibers will remain in production. They are suspending production on what doesn't sell as well. But they have the common bullet weights in each of those different caliber still available.
My .02.
Hornady has suspended over 150 bullets and ammo for the remainder of 2013.
That doesn't mean that come Jan or Feb of 2014, ya'll will be seeing your favorite "suspended" bullet back on the selves. No, far from it. It means that some time in 2014, they will slowly start to put some of the "suspended" bullets back on the line(maybe). How long will it take for these bullets to appear back on the selves is anybody's guess, but if you watch Steve Hornady's video, sounds like over 2 years.
This is NOT normal everyday business as usual as many of you claim. It is unprecedented and undoubtedly will cause more panic and more shortages.
Handloaders will be forced to switch from their beloved Hornady bullets to Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Barnes etc. These other manufacturers are already unable to manufacture enough to meet current demand and this will put them even further behind. This increased demand may force them to do as Hornady has done and suspend production of certain bullets for an Unprecedented amount of time. Thus creating more shortages and more panic.
Hornady may be able to increase production of certain "More Popular" bullets to help meet demand, but this will only lead to more demand, more panic and more shortages. A vicious Cycle to be sure.
People will be snapping up any and every bullet they can find for fear of a temporary production shutdown. What Hornady manufactures now will be snapped up before it even it's the shelves for fear that these too may be suspended. Thus increasing demand, thus increasing production, thus lengthening the down time of the 150 suspended product.
We are in for a rough ride, Hang On.
Hornady has suspended over 150 bullets and ammo for the remainder of 2013.
That doesn't mean that come Jan or Feb of 2014, ya'll will be seeing your favorite "suspended" bullet back on the selves. No, far from it. It means that some time in 2014, they will slowly start to put some of the "suspended" bullets back on the line(maybe). How long will it take for these bullets to appear back on the selves is anybody's guess, but if you watch Steve Hornady's video, sounds like over 2 years.
This is NOT normal everyday business as usual as many of you claim. It is unprecedented and undoubtedly will cause more panic and more shortages.
Handloaders will be forced to switch from their beloved Hornady bullets to Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Barnes etc. These other manufacturers are already unable to manufacture enough to meet current demand and this will put them even further behind. This increased demand may force them to do as Hornady has done and suspend production of certain bullets for an Unprecedented amount of time. Thus creating more shortages and more panic.
Hornady may be able to increase production of certain "More Popular" bullets to help meet demand, but this will only lead to more demand, more panic and more shortages. A vicious Cycle to be sure.
People will be snapping up any and every bullet they can find for fear of a temporary production shutdown. What Hornady manufactures now will be snapped up before it even it's the shelves for fear that these too may be suspended. Thus increasing demand, thus increasing production, thus lengthening the down time of the 150 suspended product.
We are in for a rough ride, Hang On.
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MtnCreek
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IMHO, I think it will help increase availability of Hornady bullets in general. Unfortunately some folks will be crap out of luck, especially if they have a custom chambered rifle for a particular Hornady bullet.
A simple way to look at it is to say it’s similar to a buffet. Largest crowd ever comes in and everyone is super hungry. The cooks have to stop spending time wrapping up the cheese wantons and focus on the meat & tators.
A simple way to look at it is to say it’s similar to a buffet. Largest crowd ever comes in and everyone is super hungry. The cooks have to stop spending time wrapping up the cheese wantons and focus on the meat & tators.
blarby
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Well, the 150 gr BTSP in .308 is going to bother the missus.
She'll have to make do with the pile of 150 gr FMJBT for target practice.
Personally I'm glad they left the 180g SST alone- although I was looking forward to a box of 180gr BTSP's this fall- I'll just have to make do with the 3 or 4 thousand SST's I have that are/shoot almost exactly the same except a ballistic tip
I'm pretty sure that hornady had discussions like this to get the results they did. I say kudos to them for getting what really matters out the door as quickly as possible. I know all of you 52gr BTHP enthusiasts in .223 will be stunned to death..........
Funny note on this'n : I got a call from BIMART on monday that all of the 22 was coming in, and would be available tuesday morning.
When I showed up tuesday morning, the line was CRAZY- I guess they called everyone else, too.
So everyone gets in to the ammo counter, and I take one look at the boxes on the counter and KNEW there was about to be a riot.
1 case of 22 minimags- 12 cases of 22 shorts.
12 cases of 22 shorts......... 12 gosa!!@dfansd@@#$fgmn CASES OF 22 SHORTS.
I laughed, grabbed a coffee for the counter guy I know, and took off.
He called me later and said he saved me a single sleeve of minimags for the coffee- it was the nicest thing that happened to him all day......
She'll have to make do with the pile of 150 gr FMJBT for target practice.
Personally I'm glad they left the 180g SST alone- although I was looking forward to a box of 180gr BTSP's this fall- I'll just have to make do with the 3 or 4 thousand SST's I have that are/shoot almost exactly the same except a ballistic tip
I'm pretty sure that hornady had discussions like this to get the results they did. I say kudos to them for getting what really matters out the door as quickly as possible. I know all of you 52gr BTHP enthusiasts in .223 will be stunned to death..........
Funny note on this'n : I got a call from BIMART on monday that all of the 22 was coming in, and would be available tuesday morning.
When I showed up tuesday morning, the line was CRAZY- I guess they called everyone else, too.
So everyone gets in to the ammo counter, and I take one look at the boxes on the counter and KNEW there was about to be a riot.
1 case of 22 minimags- 12 cases of 22 shorts.
12 cases of 22 shorts......... 12 gosa!!@dfansd@@#$fgmn CASES OF 22 SHORTS.
I laughed, grabbed a coffee for the counter guy I know, and took off.
He called me later and said he saved me a single sleeve of minimags for the coffee- it was the nicest thing that happened to him all day......
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Yep, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. What the heck is that?!?
Maybe the machines that make the shorts just cannot make LR's, and there is no manufacturer's shortage of components for 22LR, so making shorts "costs" nothing in terms of delaying LR production. Maybe. Maybe. But it's galling to see those shorts piling up on the shelves.
Queen_of_Thunder
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If ypu go through their list of suspended items you have to ask what will they produce.
morcey2
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Here's a link to the list of what they will be producing, both ammo and bullets:
http://www.hornady.com/support/availability/production-list
Not a short list by any stretch.
Matt
Queen_of_Thunder
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The problem with that is there is no production available to replace what Hornady has pulled from the market. This action will also make the ammo shortage even worse as people react to the news.
Queen_of_Thunder is spot on. Today all of the ammunition producers are working at full capacity. None are in a position to pick up someone else’s business. Olin/Winchester for example has said that they’re commercial order backlog exceeds the U.S. military services and law enforcement orders combined. Too many people still underestimate what the market demand for ammunition is. In some places guns are catching up, but severe shortages of some kinds of ammunition and components still exist, and will continue to.
BullfrogKen
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Queen_of_Thunder said:
Really?
As in what exactly?
Hornady may be the bullet-maker with the deepest product line, but they're far from the only game in town. We're not talking about mainstream items going away, either. They're halting production of the products that do not sell as much.
So exactly which are the products that Hornady makes that no other bullet-maker makes?
thump_rrr
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Sierra is my go to bullet maker for precision rifle.
As far as Hornady goes I buy their .224 FMJ-BT/WC and their .311 123gr for my SKS.
I get great pricing at our club for Zero brand Pistol bullets.
So I say hurry up and get those .224 Diameter bullets rolling.
As far as Hornady goes I buy their .224 FMJ-BT/WC and their .311 123gr for my SKS.
I get great pricing at our club for Zero brand Pistol bullets.
So I say hurry up and get those .224 Diameter bullets rolling.
If I read this correctly, they're going to stop producing almost all my favorite bullets.
The cartridges I load most often are 9x18 Makarov, .30-30 winchester, and .30-40 Krag.
I see on the list the 95gr XTP for the Mak, the 170gr flat point for the .30-30, and the 220gr round nose for the .30-40
Guess I won't be shooting for a while...
The cartridges I load most often are 9x18 Makarov, .30-30 winchester, and .30-40 Krag.
I see on the list the 95gr XTP for the Mak, the 170gr flat point for the .30-30, and the 220gr round nose for the .30-40
Guess I won't be shooting for a while...
saw a few i'm looking for now i've already replace some with smk's at this rate it wont matter if they do come back since i wont be using them anymore anyhow.one thing that got me it i've been looking for 75gr amax's for 7 months now and cant find any. then i go to a local pawn shop and he has 4 cases of them load in thier steel cases from the factory guess i know where they are going .
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Why Does Anybody Seem Surprised?
We all assumed the manufacturers were focusing on the highest-demand products during this run on ammo. Now Hornady is the first that has admitted and formally announced-in-detail what they're actually doing.
For cryin' out loud -- did anyone actually think anyone was still factory-loading dying 257 Roberts instead of .22 LR if they had a choice!? And "news flash": some of those bullets and ammo are NEVER coming back.
We all assumed the manufacturers were focusing on the highest-demand products during this run on ammo. Now Hornady is the first that has admitted and formally announced-in-detail what they're actually doing.
For cryin' out loud -- did anyone actually think anyone was still factory-loading dying 257 Roberts instead of .22 LR if they had a choice!? And "news flash": some of those bullets and ammo are NEVER coming back.
witchhunter
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This explains the email I got from PV regarding my order. The .257 117 RN got cancelled. I had a bunch ordered for my .25/35.
They have a few actually. JHP bullets for the Makarov for example.
Speer used to make the Gold Dot in this caliber but I haven't seen it in a while now, I think that they're gone...
I am sure that there are others, I'm just using one that I'm familar with as an example...
Ken, you asked what I was talking about. I was simply commenting on the link posted at the beginning of this thread where Hornady said they were not producing the handgun ammunition (not bullets) listed. I didn't make that up.
My more serious comment/question is...if the ammo and component makers are working 24/7 and turning out all the ammunition and components they can make, where the (expletive deleted) is it? I have visited a half dozen web sites on a regular basis looking for specific bulk reloading components for months. No one ever has ANYTHING. And you can add 22 Long Rifle to that list. I can't find it any where, just stories about what someone used to have or just sold out of.
Dave
My more serious comment/question is...if the ammo and component makers are working 24/7 and turning out all the ammunition and components they can make, where the (expletive deleted) is it? I have visited a half dozen web sites on a regular basis looking for specific bulk reloading components for months. No one ever has ANYTHING. And you can add 22 Long Rifle to that list. I can't find it any where, just stories about what someone used to have or just sold out of.
Dave
BullfrogKen
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I've seen MidwayUSA been able to keep Nosler 77gr 250 Ct bullets in stock for over a month straight now. Same with 500 ct Lake City primed 223 brass. They have 22 rimfire as well.
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627PCFan
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I just noticed they droppd their 125gn 357 ammo, but kept all other weights?
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