I've noticed on some forums (not this one) Taurus is treated like the crazy relative in the basement. It's here but we don't talk about it much. Considering the volume this manufacturer sells worldwide. For example pistolsmith.com has an other revolvers category but has a forum for Kahr. Taurus probably outsells Kahr at least a hundred to one. I betcha worldwide they outsell S&W and Colt combined. I've bought my share. Loyal Tauri speak up.