How can I tell if I have an Omega trigger?

[MrIzhevsk]

Hi all,

I bought a Jericho a little while back and am very pleased with it thus far.

Since I've bought it, however, I've been scouring the internet for as much information as possible about this pistol (ironic that I'm using the INTERNET for credible info) I know that it is a clone of the CZ 75 action, but since I've been reading about CZs I know there is something called the Omega trigger system. I believe this system is one that features one trigger bar instead of two, and a notable difference on the CZ's is an upswept bevertail instead of a downward piece.

Now here is where my confusion comes in, I look at the trigger of my Jericho and see that it looks a LOT like the P-07 Duty, which has the Omega trigger system to my knowledge. Now, I know that the trigger itself isn't what defines it as an omega system, but what else can I look at to determine what type of trigger my Jericho has? The trigger bar is the part that goes around either side of the grip and extends back towards the hammer mechanism correct? Looking something like a 1911 trigger with the two bars that extend around the handle?

 

[christcorp]

Off topic, but DAMN!!!! I thought the title was:

"How can I tell if I have an OBAMA trigger"!!!! LOL!!!

That's actually easy. If you try and pull it and it requests proof of government approved health care first, before it will fire; in case you get shot; then it's an Obama trigger.

Sorry for not answering your question. But I REALLY DID thing you said Obama trigger.

 

[MrIzhevsk]

^ ROFL you had me checking the title of my thread over and over.

Would this be an example of a double trigger bar?

 

[Sam1911]

I just picked up an Omega-equipped CZ75B and the trigger system is pretty noticeably different.

On the Omega system, instead of the standard CZ action arm (part 7 in the diagram) there is a stamped steel arm that only passes around the right side of the mag, not both sides.

Also, the parts associated with the "ejector cage" (parts 10-15) are not mounted together in part 10, but are individually mounted in the frame.

If your gun looks like this parts diagram, it ISN'T an Omega trigger. If you can lift out part 10 and it carries with it parts 11-15, it isn't an Omega trigger.

 

[David E]

"How can I tell if I have an OBAMA trigger?"

You know you have an Obama trigger if:

1) It looked good in the packaging......but is not present 129 times.

2) The installation instructions were the most eloquent you've ever read.

3) After the "hope" you had for the trigger "change," you find it doesn't fit.

4) The last instruction requires that you rebuild the gun to suit the Obama trigger

5) After it's finally installed, it apologizes for being in an "arrogant " American made gun.

6) You take it out to testfire and discover.......the damn thing doesn't work as promised!

7) You look at the instructions one last time and see the fine print: "Remove on Nov. 6th, 2012"

 

[MrIzhevsk]

Thanks Sam1911! that cleared everything up. I do NOT have an Omega trigger

^ lol I'm loving the Obama trigger jokes though

 

[Sam1911]

Thanks Sam1911! that cleared everything up. I do NOT have an Omega trigger

With only a tiny bit of chagrin, I'll say you're probably better off without ...

Folks keep telling me it will be nice eventually.

 

[Stringfellow]

Hmmm. My take is that we are still WAAAYYYY better off now than with the previous 8 years of Jennings-level talent.

Back on thread...I am perplexed about the disparity of opinions for the Omega system. The new trigger sounds great on paper, but so many people seem to have problems with it (or maybe that's just the perception?).

I love the beavertail of the Omega '75B model, but over the coming months I look forward to seeing what the consensus is on the new trigger...

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

I like my omega trigger. Honestly it was just a matter of trying the standard and liking the omega better. I wont say the difference was a big one. I will say that if I was buying another I would get the exact same thing, with the omega trigger....... If that helps anyone.

 

[Sam1911]

Well, part of the disparity of opinion is that the original 75 trigger system is a very known quantity and Angus and the guys at CZ Custom have been doing great things with them for a long time. The Omega system is simpler to build (fewer, less complex parts) and gives a little bit of flexibility in SA -vs.- DA/SA lockwork.

As far as I've been able to determine, though, there isn't a lot of work yet done on tuning the Omega system. Personally, I think the SA hammer hook could be 1/3 the height it is and that would help the SA let-off by a mile. But I can't say that it would really be safe that way, so I'm not trying it (yet). Further, the geometry of the trigger bar, firing pin block lifter, and sear seem to conspire against a short, light, DA pull and a short reset distance. Some of that will likely someday be worked out, but not yet.

FWIW, the sear and hammer engagement surfaces on my Omega had noticeable machining marks that dragged pretty badly. Polishing all that up (and some burrs on the various action parts stampings) made things about 1/2 way better.