How could the second be even more clear?

[RealGun]

True, RealGun, but to do that means ignoring the purpose of the entire Bill of Rights as a package, and looking at the Second as a completely separate issue. It's not a separate, stand-alone item.

I have no idea what you mean. Maybe you didn't follow me either. I implied the the 2A should remain compatible in format, part of the whole.

The Second has certainly been ignored as a "separate" issue, as if "standalone". Our frustration is a system that too often acts like the 2A doesn't even exist, certainly not meaning what it says.

 

[Art Eatman]

Apologies, RealGun. You said,

"The 2A can and has been interpreted in various ways by intelligent people, especially judges, even legal scholars."

Those who don't pay attention to the Preamble, to the purpose of the BOR as a package of restrictions on the government, can find ambiguity. I don't see any ambiguity in the 2A if you consider just what and who did the militia thing in the 1700s, and consider the usages of language of that era. The 2A is not just out there all by its lonesome; it's indeed part of an inseparable package whose purpose is stated.

Those who work hard to distort the obvious meaning and to find this ambiguity just flat-out don't like guns, or the idea of guns in the hands of citizens. They work really diligently to support their preconceived notions by so-called "research". Note that rarely does this scholarly research actually look at the various other writings on the subject by those who wrote the Bill of Rights. Who's gonna jump up and tell me that Jefferson's comments about firearms and the Second Amendment were vague and ambiguous?

, Art

 

[RealGun]

Okay, but how do you prevent a judge from blithely convicting someone for transporting a sawed-off shotgun across state lines, thereby establishing a devastating precedent?

 

[Art Eatman]

The only "prevention" is highly illegal...

Pray that one's appeal is heard in New Orleans, I guess.

John Ross' description of the events surrounding the situation of "Miller" is interesting. However, if one does not show up in court to defend one's position, it's an automatic loss.

Art

 

[Robb]

How about something REALLY simple?

"You weaselly politiciaal varmints try and touch my gun and I get to fill ya fulla lead!"

hehehe.... sorry, couldn't resist...

How about adding wording in somewhere that killing a politician is only illegal if it's more than the politician deserves??? (Lone Star Planet, H. Beam Piper)

 

[DRZinn]

Even if it said:

Everyone has the right to own and carry any gun they choose for any reason they choose, at any time, loaded with any munitions they choose.

They'd still "interpret" that to mean they have the right to ban guns.

 

[RealGun]

Careful, Robb. Some men in black might show up on your doorstep.