MCgunner
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Did they just tell BATFE "oh, no, it's not a butt stock, it's an "arm brace".
https://www.full30.com/video/ddd49e308687ad82cceef13084a282b8
https://www.full30.com/video/ddd49e308687ad82cceef13084a282b8
It's a brace, and is legal.
Why are we our own worst enemies?
Explain to me what exactly is wrong with short barreled shotguns and rifles.Well, explain to me HOW it's a brace vs a butt stock by legal definition. Not being an enemy, but I don't understand how this could NOT be a short barreled shotgun. In fact, I really don't get the whole shockwave legality thing, stock or no, very confusing, but, hey, the BATFE has said so and they're the interpreters of the law, not me.
If this thing is actually legal, I might set me up a shock wave with this stock...er....arm brace. I don't care much for any sort of PGO, but a short shotgun with a stock would make for a compact truck gun. I occasionally see hogs on my private road and have a folding stock 16" SKS in the truck for this at the moment. I suppose it's adequate, but there's always a reason for a new weapon.
I am not an expert on these things, but since the Shockwave isn't a shotgun (it is a "firearm"), and since you maintain the minimum 26" in this configuration, that you have not created a "short barrel shotgun" by the addition of the brace. It was not a shotgun, and it does not become a shotgun, thus it is not a short barrel shotgun.
It would make a Shockwave slightly less worthless.I like it.
How does a shoulder stock on a handgun or a half an inch difference in the length of a shotgun barrel justify felony charges?
Yes, I get that.Because that's the law. It's a stupid law, but that's the law. The fact that we don't like the law doesn't make it magically not the law.
Not a shotgun? What is it, a grenade launcher? It's not black powder and it fires a shot shell. Uh, okay, not a shotgun, fine, I'll load it with black powder from the muzzle like a Howdah and see if it works.
Weird, just weird. I guess, so long as it's legal that's all that matters. NOW, since it's not a shotgun, I can find me a 590 butt stock to mount on it, I suppose, I mean, it's not a shotgun, right, it's just a firearm? I suppose that'd work fine until I got caught with it if I had to use it in a self defense shooting or something.
Yes, I get that.
"Justify" was the key word in my statement.
You're trying to apply logic to a legal issue. Stop it
Sure, go ahead and commit a felony. It becomes a SBS if you add a real stock to it. You don't need that $100,000 + lawyer fees, the next 10 years of your life, or any sort of job prospects when you get out.
Practically there is no difference, but LEGALLY there is. Stupid rules, but this is the world we live in.
It is a pointless law that makes less sense the more you look at it.The SBR/SBS inclusion in the NFA doesn't make sense until you look at previous revisions of the bill and items that were not included in the final law. Originally all pistols were included as NFA weapons, so they also wanted to make sure that you couldn't legally take a rifle and make a pistol by cutting down the barrel. Thus the ONLY weapons that would be title 1 would be long guns with barrel lengths above the set minimums (originally 18" for both rifles and shotguns, and then the length for rifles was decreased to 16").
Before the bill could be passed, the restriction on handguns was removed, but everything else was left in place.
Thats why we can have an AR pistol with 11.5" barrel and everything is fine, but put a stock on the same gun (without paying a bribe to the ATF) and you commit a felony.