How Do I Use This Thing (FA Brass Tumbler)

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My son and wife got me a Frankfort Arsenal brass tumbler and I have never used one before. I don’t have any media yet so I’ll grab some soon. I’ve used a wet tumble in the past without pins but this seems like it will hold more.

What kind of media is best? It says it will hold about 600 9mm or 350 5.56 cases. How much media do I use? Is media treated with some sort of abrasive or do I do that?

I normally deprime first and like wet tumbling for it’s dust free processing. Can I deprime and tumble? A lot of crud falls out of cases when I deprime and I’d rather not have that in my media.
 
Sounds like you got the vibratory tumbler that uses corn cob or walnut media:
https://www.frankfordarsenal.com/ca...s/quick-n-ez-case-tumbler/855020.html#start=1
Fill the bowl with your preferred media to within 0.5 to 1.0 inch from the top. Dump in your brass and tumble for an hour or two.
The media itself is abrasive enough to clean cases pretty well.
A word of caution when cleaning de-primed brass media can (and will) get stuck in some of the flash holes.
 
Lizard litter (good stuff)
Same advice as above, except I recommend fill only 1/2-2/3rds to top of bowl
(you want the walnut to be slung to the side of bowl, up the curved side, then over itself back toward the center)

FWIW: Walnut's good by itself, but a tablespoon of liquid car wax mixed in (vibrate it it for 10 minutes to distribute
well before dumping the cases in. Thereafter when reusing the walnut, just dump the cases in right away.)
 
Goto zoro.com and get their 20 to 40 grit corn cob media. I like it better unless your brass is extremely dirty as it polishes and removes lube better. I'd fill first to 1 1/2" from top add a bit of orange bottled nu-finish and run it for a few minutes to mix it in. Then add brass and adjust media to what seems to work best. I never run it to capacity. I run my thumbler 4 or 5 hours.

I guess i tumble first for all brass as I like clean brass to work with. I also tumble rifle brass for 30 mins or so after sizing to get lube off and never really worried bout media in flash hole. Easy to push out with a toothpick if you desire.

Franfords bowling ball separator works very well.
 
I have only used ground corn cob for 25 years. Dribble a teaspoon of Dillon's Rapid Case Polish over the corn cob stuff for shiny cases. BRASSO and other polishes did not give me good results; clumpy. Leaving the spent primer in the case for polishing has never caused a problem for me. I deprime as I resize the case on my 550, and prime on the press. Use a fan nearby to blow away any possible dust when separating the cases from the media after a polishing cycle. The media lasts a long time.
 
What kind of media is best? It says it will hold about 600 9mm or 350 5.56 cases. How much media do I use? Is media treated with some sort of abrasive or do I do that?

I normally deprime first and like wet tumbling for it’s dust free processing. Can I deprime and tumble? A lot of crud falls out of cases when I deprime and I’d rather not have that in my media.
um, scroll down on this page, there's a "Similar threads" list at the bottom.
The answer to all your questions is right there in those previous tumbling threads.
jmo,
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BRASSO and other polishes did not give me good results; clumpy
Ya gotta vibrate it in to distribute/dry it out before putting the cases in...
leaving the spent primer in
^^^ THIS ^^^ :thumbup:
dryer sheet cut into quarters
^^^ THIS ^^^ :thumbup:
tumble rifle brass for 30 mins or so after sizing to get lube off
Unless in a dusty environment, I recommend leaving it on.
Dramatically reduces case stretch. (and no, does not increase bolt thrust to any real degree)
 
I use 20/40 mesh corncob media from Zoro. This is blast media not scrap like pet bedding material is. The blast media will clean faster and give you a better shine. The 20/40 mesh will not clog a primer hole, small enough to go through. Like many others I add Nu-Finsh car polish to the mix alone with 6-8 2" sq cleaning patches. The patches help polish and collect the dirt.
 
I’m headed to the LGS tomorrow to see what kind of media I can find. I have some 357 brass, about 200, that has already been pickled but the cases have some bluish oxidation that doesn’t come off in the acid solution. I’ll run them through and see how they look. If they turn out ok, I have a bunch of 223 range brass I might try without depriming to see how that works.
 
Fill it with Lizard litter.
Pour in a cap full of Nu-Finish car polish. Break up any clumps with your fingers.
When you come home from the range dump the brass in the tumbler.
Turn it on and let it run until you get the desired shine that you want.
Sift out the media.
 
A dry tumbler is good enough for me. I admire the photos of those who wet tumble. Wet tumbling does a better job IMO. I don't want the hassle of mixing chemicals, Disposing of the waste, and drying the brass. Tumbling is my least desirable reloading chores. I make tumbling easy for me.
 
I use used dryer sheets, sometimes new ones. It doesn’t matter. I don’t cut them. Our daughter is three doors down and with 3 kids, I get handfuls of them every week. I use the Nu-Finish and corncob. I’ve used this method for almost 50 years. It works.
 
Helpful hint: lizard cage bedding made of crushed walnut shells is available on Amazon or in the pet dept at Petco, Walmart etc, for much less than “crushed walnut tumbling media”.
 
After a bit over a year experimenting with every kid of media I could think of (from beach sand, glass beads, wood chunks, saw dust, charcoal, dried beans, peas, rice and about a dozen other things) I settled on corn cob blast media 14-20, and a bit of of auto wax, no polish. Blast media is made for cleaning metal, tools, etc. and pet litter is for animals to pee on. Blast media is better quality controled, hardness, and size. I bought a 40 lb. bag a few years ago and stil have some it lasts and is inexpensive. I use it it my wobbler and my rotary tumblers. If I want glossy brass I just leave it tumbling longer. No mess no water.
 
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I use corn cobb media with Berry's (cabelas branded) polish. It works just fine, but I always let my tumbler run 4-6 hours or overnight. I've tried lizard bedding. It left more dust, and the brass was more dull, though it removed more tarnish than the cobb. I don't even fool with it now, I just use cobb and I'm happy. I keep mine about 2/3 full.

For a separating, I have a colander from Berry's, and I've found a stainless mixing bowl that fits the top. I hold them together and shake vigorously over a 5 gallon bucket. It works flawlessly for me.

I don't separate my brass inside. I've ran the tumbler inside, but when I did that, I took it outside and separated so as not to have the dust plume in the house. Now I keep the tumbler in my out building where I cast.
 
My son and wife got me a Frankfort Arsenal brass tumbler and I have never used one before. I don’t have any media yet so I’ll grab some soon. I’ve used a wet tumble in the past without pins but this seems like it will hold more.

What kind of media is best? It says it will hold about 600 9mm or 350 5.56 cases. How much media do I use? Is media treated with some sort of abrasive or do I do that?

I normally deprime first and like wet tumbling for it’s dust free processing. Can I deprime and tumble? A lot of crud falls out of cases when I deprime and I’d rather not have that in my media.
tumble before depriming/resizing. It will get the media out of the flash holes when depriming. An hour or two will get them clean enough to reload but if they are range pickups or fairly tarnished I run it overnight. And if I forget I started it, most of the next day too. lol but they are really shiny then.
 
Frankfort Arsenal brass tumbler ... never used one before ... I’ve used a wet tumble in the past without pins but this seems like it will hold more.

It says it will hold about 600 9mm or 350 5.56 cases. How much media do I use?
For 30 years, I have used two FA and one Cabelas/Berry's 400 vibratory tumblers with good results but for retirement, decided to transition to wet tumbling using FART and Branson ultrasonic cleaner - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-unlimited-budget.912629/page-2#post-12726267

As to bowl capacity, there's advertised max capacity and there's "real world" cleaning/polishing capacity. ;)

While Cabelas/Berry's tumbler advertised 1000 9mm case capacity, tumbling that many cases would slow down the vibratory/tumbling action so much that media/cases would barely move which really slowed down cleaning/polishing. So "real world" capacity for me is to load the bowl with media about 1"-1.5" below the rim (So as to not spill out media after adding brass) and run the tumbler while adding brass until tumbling action starts to slow down which is around 600-800 9mm cases.

While FA tumbler advertised 600 9mm case capacity, 300-400 9mm cases maintained fast tumbling action and adding more cases would start to slow down the tumbling action. If range brass is fairly clean, 500 9mm cases would clean in relatively short time of 30 minutes.

BTW, FART wet tumbler advertised 1000 .223/5.56 case capacity (About 2000 9mm) and that's also "real world" capacity as rotary action is maintained suspended in water.

What kind of media is best?
As to media type, crushed walnut with sharp edges tend to clean better and corn cob media tend to polish better. Some mix 50/50 for combined cleaning/polishing action. Since polish on brass don't improve accuracy, I usually just clean my brass. With range brass/my spent cases that just need carbon fouling removed, FA/Berry's tumblers loaded to "real world" capacity would take 20-30 minutes to clean brass enough for reloading.

As to media size, you want to use small enough grit size to not clog up flash hole which is smaller than 18-20 grit (Larger grit number = smaller size). As to blast media vs pet/lizzard litter, blast media is washed so it is clean without dust and screened for uniform size.

In recent decade, I have used Harbor Freight fine grit walnut media with good results but Home Depot now sells at lower price (Joining HF mailing list/Insider Club gets you 10-20% off coupon):
As to media life, walnut will maintain sharp edges so as to not "wear out" rather get dirty. Using untreated walnut, media would last more than a year until it gets dirty enough to slow down cleaning action. I have even washed walnut media with little bit of dish soap and after drying in the sun, it worked just as well as new media. As many suggested, adding cut up used dryer sheet helps extend media life.

As to adding polish to media, I have used Dillon, FA and NuFinish liquid polishes with good results. In recent decade, I have found NuFinish liquid polish to help with cleaning/polishing with residual polymer on brass surface to help with resizing of pistol brass and also prevent tarnishing of brass for years.

As to treating media, I add one cap full of NuFinish to new walnut media with tumbler running and use a stick to stir/break up clumps until all the clumps are gone before adding brass. I prefer to run the treated media on the "dry" side adding additional cap full of polish every several batches as using too much polish will gum up the media and leave gray haze on brass instead of cleaning/polishing.

As to tumbling time, most clean range brass with surface carbon fouling/soot will clean in about 20-30 minutes. If I want some polish on brass, I will run the tumbler for 1+ hour. If I want mirror finish, I will run tumbler with corn cob media. Below are sample of my reloads shot and tumbled in walnut media for 20 minutes.

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As to what dry tumbling won't do and that is remove surface tarnish/discoloration. Below is sample of brass from FART wet tumbler after 1 hour in Dawn dish soap and lemon juice with sample of dirty brass in the bowl. Dry tumbling would have removed surface oxidation but you would end up with clean/polished darkened brass.

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I normally deprime first and like wet tumbling for it’s dust free processing. Can I deprime and tumble? A lot of crud falls out of cases when I deprime and I’d rather not have that in my media.
I prefer to do the same and deprime first for wet tumbling but it's different for dry tumbling.

Most common source of lead dust comes from primers and after a round is fired, inside of case is coated with lead dust along with residual lead dust inside spent primer. While removing primer for wet tumbling helps move water through flash hole, removing primer for dry tumbling increases risk of releasing more lead dust. So I prefer to leave spent primer in for dry tumbling.

As to lead exposure, I strongly recommend sorting range brass, dry tumbling and sifting of tumbled brass/media outdoors in fresh air to reduce inhaling lead dust as processing range brass indoors could have cumulative effect to be circulated by heating/air conditioning ventilation system to expose occupants to lead dust. Of course, you want to wash your hands and remove clothing that could have been exposed to lead dust before going indoors.

If you have high blood lead level issue, you may want to consider using 3M respirator with filters rated for lead dust when processing range brass outdoors or picking up brass from indoor range floor (Which turned out to be my primary source of lead intake) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-11#post-12406408
 
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The thing is I was perfectly content with my old wet tumbling method (Lemishine, water, and dish soap in a jug hand turned for about 10 minutes, no pins) but since this was a gift I sort of have to use it. I won’t turn down a trip to Cabelas so I’ll see what they have. I have to go out to get my wife’s birthday cake anyway.

Range brass might get both, wet first and dry after. It can get pretty grungy. My brass, particularly 30-30 and 38/357 could probably do with just dry tumbling. This also makes a good case for doing large batches of range brass at once. The limit is how many cases my colander will hold without breaking or overflowing.
 
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I find cleaning brass very satisfying. A clean case is easier to inspect both inside & out.
All these recipes and procedures are fun to try out on a slow raining day. Keep notes and perfect your own recipe.
I dry tumble and wet, with or without pins. There is satisfaction poring that gunk down the drain.
If you have no time for all that, prepare for retirement. :)
 
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