How do you carry your CCW permit?

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  1. grampajack

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    I've started taking the dog on long walks trying to lose some of the weight I've accumulated over the last five years. Being adjacent to the 9th circle of hell like we are, at least during the summer months, I dress as lightly as possible. It's lightweight gym shorts and a t shirt, which enables me to carry a lightweight snubbie in an IWB holster.

    The problem is that the pockets in gym shorts are virtually useless, so carrying a wallet is problematic. Not only is it too heavy and the shorts to baggy, causing it to gallop to and fro as I walk, but the pockets in gym shorts aren't secure at all, giving the very real possibility of tipping the wallet out when I stop to dig a rock out of my shoe (this happens frequently; I live in the country, so many of my routes are unpaved), retie a shoe, rub out a charlie horse, etc.

    So what I've been doing this entire time is taking out my permit and carrying it loose in the pocket, which solves the galloping wallet problem, but there's still the very real likelihood of losing it when I kneel down. Not to mention I have to remember to put it back in my wallet, and we all know how that goes.

    So my solution was to order a neck wallet. It has just enough room for an ID, a credit card, and maybe a 20 stuffed in there. Or it would hold two IDs if you preferred. It's very low profile, and once tucked inside a t shirt you can't even tell it's there. So to make a very long story short, I'm beginning to realize there are certain advantages to carrying a CCW permit this way instead of in your wallet. I'm actually considering always using the neck wallet from now on.

    My state has duty to inform, so the normal routine involves digging around in your back pocket directly after telling the cop you have a gun, which makes both parties rightfully nervous. With the permit hanging on your neck, though, your hands stay in plain view the entire time you're digging it out. I realize there are neck holsters, but they're very uncommon, this doesn't look like one at all, and it still beats reaching behind your back.

    It's also next to impossible to forget your CCW permit this way. Once you get used to it, you feel naked if it's not there, so you can't easily leave the house with your gun and no permit without immediately sensing a disturbance in the force. It's not like a wallet that can be forgotten because it's in your other pants. And since it's around your neck it's virtually impossible to lose as long as your head is attached to your body. This is a big bonus when out on the water, when you would be tempted to leave your wallet in the car for fear of it ending up at the bottom of a lake. And if you were to lose your wallet at any point (we've all done it), you would still have your emergency credit card and 20, so there's that too.

    This would be particularly attractive to women, as well, seeing as how they like to stuff cash in their pockets and leave their purse in the car. This would enable them to make a habit of doing that without risking forgetting to transfer their CCW from their purse to their pocket. Same thing for men who use a locker room at work, the gym, etc. There's nothing like being halfway home only to realize your permit is in your wallet in your pants in your locker at the gym.

    Well, that about sums it up. Thoughts?
     
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  2. GBExpat

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    My carry license (which I laminate because my state does not) lives with my drivers license in a thin plastic sleeve.

    When I walk into a store, for example, in my shirt pocket is that thin plastic sleeve and a MasterCard. :)

    That "neck wallet" sounds to me like an excellent solution for when one needs to carry it in the woods/fields.
     
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  3. Axis II

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    neck wallet for sure!
     
  4. Tirod

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    It's a solution that works for those requirements.

    Locally there are joggers and I have been one in the past. Running is one thing, walking another, the roads and congestion something else. I've worn "workout" attire and how far we push wearing it when the routine is less than exhaustive seems to be one issue.

    Another is how much is carried in a wallet at all, something much less "firearms" related. On EDC forums the minimalist wallet is a newer idea, at work not so much as I do see many grown men sporting folded filing cabinets of paperwork which they consistently leave in the car. When all you carry is your ID, CCW, a $20, and maybe a pizza coupon then needing to have a separate neck wallet seems a bit redundant.

    However, it works, which is ok. It will then continue to be a reminder that the necessity of it's existence is due to the other issues not really being resolved. Walking shorts with a belt and pockets can hold a small wallet with just the minimum ID needed. Do we really need every possible club card, bar code membership, or receipt from last years tire purchase in our wallet?

    Many would say yes - yet that lump of paper that is larger than a two magazine pocket pouch isn't going to do much for you. A lot of it gets looked at on a year to year basis. It could just as well stay home. Kind of like having a keyring with every key you own on it - most should stay at home instead of risking the loss of them all.

    Men tend to accumulate all the wrong items and then they get confronted with their overload adding a gun, holster, spare mag, back up knife, flashlight, lens cleaner, glasses, lip ointment, watch, etc. And that is considered minimal, ie the least possible stuff for daily use by many.

    What we need to do is reassess whether all the old stuff was needed - daily - at all. Usually not. Not even. Not at all.

    Best recommendation I would make is to consider carrying ONLY what you'd need - just like the OP - for a daily walk. Then work around that to discover what else you could add. When you start carrying it's necessary to do that, as the gun is now your primary concern, not a file cabinet you should have decided to leave all those papers in.

    There's no place at home to put them you will trust remains undisturbed? There is a significant home security issue right there. Fix that and you now have some place to lock up your gun if visiting children arrive. See how that all dovetails together?

    Not picking on the OP, I see a large number of customers at my job who fall into the trap of a file cabinet wallet. I won't even go into the baseball of keys that destroys the ignition switch or causes it to turn the car off going over a bump, another liability issue that has recently come up. That merits as much fingerpointing as dropping your gun and having it go off . . .

    If you start carrying, then the other stuff needs to be cut down to the minimum. Worst case - your wallet is in the evidence room, you are in custody, your wife needs a warranty receipt for a household appliance and your lawyer took all the cash. It will all sort out but why set yourself up for failure?

    I agree, better you have that CCW on you. Last years property tax receipts? Really?
     
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    I think if your wallet is in your car with the LTCF (that's what they are called in PA) within easy walking distance you are good to go.
     
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    Mine is my work id card and lives in my wallet.
     
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    I carry a minimal wallet, more like a money clip with a card holder. A little cash, DL, CCL, one CC. Other cards like insurance, HSA debit, library, etc I carry in my backpack usually nearby or available but not always carried. These are all the 2nd tier things I might need but usually with advance knowledge or by plan.
     
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    I like the idea of the neck wallet. For me i find that gym shorts with just a drawstring do not support the weight of my weapon and the holster doesn't feel secure for draw so i go with a Crossbreed belly band to hold my weapon and it also has a pocket for my DL, CCW & $20. I always keep a photocopy of my ccw in the BB pocket just in case i forget to bring the real copy. I have a copy in a holder/sleeve on my car visor as well so i would be able to easily present that first instead of digging around for my wallet to produce the authentic one.
     
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    I have worked in industrial environments in which neckties or anything else around your neck is considered a safety hazard. I don't like anything around my neck. I've seen dogs and cats die getting hung by their own collars. I know that wearing IDs around your neck is more common than it used to be, but it still makes me uncomfortable.

    If you are going to wear one, please use a neckband with a breakaway link to avoid any injury to your neck. If I were in your situation, carrying without a conventional wallet, I would laminate my card and carry it on a wristband.
     
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    In my wallet next to my driver's license.
     
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    The chain isn't strong enough to choke you out, so no worries there. But yea, it would be a problem if you were to use paracord or something like that. I actually can't stand things on my wrist. I don't even like wearing a wrist watch.
     
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    Long before I ever carried a gun I was on the search for the perfect thin wallet. Adulthood and marriage has added more than I’d like, but I still manage to keep it to 8 cards (including CC license) and some cash, and that’s it. So it’s very rare that I don’t have my wallet on me. But the few times I do leave without it, it’s because I’m on a walk through the woods behind my house or walking on some of the country roads around me. I don’t worry too much about having my CC license in those instances when I’m still within a couple miles of my house. In the 6 or so times I’ve been pulled over while carrying I’ve not once been asked to show my CCW permit.
     
  13. grampajack

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    I wish my state were that understanding. We have to have the card on us AT ALL TIMES when carrying, even says it one the card. I'm not sure what the penalty is for breaking that law, but I don't really want to find out. We have some cops around here running for brownshirt of the year, so better safe than sorry.
     
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    We have to keep our license with us as well whenever we are carrying, but its not worth it to me to do so at all times. Heck, I just checked my state's attorney generals website and our law also states that you need to keep a 2nd government issued form of identification with you in addition to your CCW permit when carrying.
     
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    Huh, does it not have a photo? Ours is actually a full blown ID, pretty much identical to our DL. I believe it even conforms to the real ID act since it has the photo, chip, and watermarks.
     
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    Both my state issued CCW and LEOSA card are in the removable plastic sleeve with my driver's license.

    I still have my AZ CCW because it was issued before I retired and doesn't expire until 2019, so I just keep it along with the others.

    SOME FFLs (Bass Pro and Sportsman's Warehouse to be specific)I have dealt with went ahead with the Brady check with my LEOSA card (though they don't have to, and arguing with them is counter-productive, so I will probably keep renewing my AZ CCW anyway).

    I like to have it with my license so I can hand them together over as appropriate to the situation.
     
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    I used to carry a copy of my "Pistol & Revolver license" in my wallet. I carried a copy as the paper the PD printed them on was thin and flimsy and a copy was lawful.

    I used past tense as we now enjoy Constitutional carry.:neener:
     
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    You don't need athletic shorts for a walk. People manage to walk around every day while not wearing athletic shorts. Until recently when my knee just got too bad and I had to go to a cane, I walked two to four miles every day and cargo shorts was what I wore and I live in Phoenix. I'd argue cargo shorts with a proper belt is going to be a lot easier and more comfortable to walk in than athletic shorts with a gun in the pocket sagging them down.
     
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    I don't do gym shorts, or shorts of pretty much any kind. What I do wear has sufficient pockets for what I need to have with me. My CWFL (as it's known in Florida) rides with my ID/DL and a couple of cards, along with my work ID/badge in a folding badge case.

    When I do wear something that cannot handle the badge case (swim shorts is the only thing that comes to mind), it won't handle a firearm, either, so both get left behind.
     
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    I personally don't like things around my neck. Only thing I ever wore there were my dog tags. And even in that case I usually attached them to one of my belt loops and stuffed into a pocket. I am considering a neck knife for duty carry however as a last ditch defense.

    If your gym shorts are strong enough to carry a snubbie IWB, you should be able to carry a minimalist wallet or money clip with no problem.
     
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    Go to wal mart and buy some cheap cargo shorts- you can carry your handgun, wallet, phone, and just about anything else you want.
     
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    In my holster--just kidding. Always carry it and my wallet even when walking our dog. I feel lopsided without my wallet.
     
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    In my wallet, in a separate area from my driver's license, so I don't flash it around if stopped, or when showing ID.
     
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    I never take mine out of my wallet but if I am walking, I won't need it as I'll be open carrying and we don't need a permit for that.
     
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    Some of our routes are around 10 miles long, so we're not talking about just a stroll around the block. Minimalist shorts are what I wear, and there are good reasons for that. Chafing is one of them, breathability and moisture wicking are others. Khakis start chafing me in about two miles, they don't breath, and once they soak up the sweat they don't dry fast enough and therefore stop wicking moisture. I actually have no problem packing the snubbie in such shorts either. It's 100% stable and secure, and surprisingly comfortable. I can even run with it like that.

    I despise hot weather, so I'm looking for the lightest, most minimalist clothing available. If it were legal, I would go naked with a sun umbrella.:D

    Our local PD would have a fit, even though open carry is legal here as of last year. They're the kind of cops who would find something to charge you with, like disorderly conduct or some such nonsense. I was actually stopped one time and asked for my ID, well demanded actually. I asked the cop why he had stopped me, and was promptly informed that he was the one asking the questions here and threatened to take me to jail if I didn't comply. Little $%^$#% was acting like I had just approached a checkpoint in Fallujah. Papiere bitte!:cuss:

    Oh, and the best part, his reason for stopping me was that some kids had tagged a library, so stopping everyone in the vicinity was part of his "investigation." Yea, a guy walking his dog wearing reflective clothing, heading in the opposite direction of said library, during the morning rush hour when everyone is out on the roads...that's some good detective work there sherlock.:uhoh:
     
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