How do you feel about pawn shops?

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Lets be honest - Pawn shops and title loan businesses make their living by taking advantage of people in need. They make their profits by not giving them the fair market value for their items.

You are right. Let's be honest. YOU, sir, are not being honest, but only because you are ignorant on the matter of the pawn business.
Pawnbrokers and title loan folks do NOT take advantage of people in their time of need by not giving them market value. It is a STUPID practice to LOAN market value on an item. It is a STUPID practice to buy an item at full market value.

Why? Because it is a LOAN that must be held for an extended period of time. If you loaned (or purchased) at full market value, then how do you make a profit in selling the item if the customer opts to not redeem it? You can't. In fact, loaning (or buying) full market value would result in losses because there would be no income over the loaned amount to pay overhead such as all the expenses that go into running a pawnshop. D'UH!

Bottom line, pawn shops are not charity organizations. They are for-profit businesses. They could not stay in business with such a stupid practice of loaning/purchasing at full market value.

So why would you loan full market value?

Some of the people using these places to get money are really on hard times and have very limited options. The other side of that argument is that a lot of those people because of poor choices have put themselves in that situation. Kind of backs up the old line "Life is hard, even harder when your stupid." I have empathy for the person who has lost their job or been laid off... I have little empathy for the person who has partied away all their money or lived beyond their means. Are the businesses predators or a necessary option???

So what you are saying is that pawnshops are predators because they provide a service nobody else is providing to the worst of the worst people who are in need. Is that it? If nobody else is providing such a service, then where would people turn? Once again, D'uh!

Pawn shops are no more predators than any other for-profit business. They are no more predatory than those occupations that help anyone else in need such as hospitals, mechanics, plumbers, taxi cabs, gun shops, and people who sell food.
 
Some of the local pawnshops are really proud of their guns, and almost everything else they have, but I found one recently, and they had an Astra 357, which I was able to pick up for $200. So after doing some checking on the internet, found that wasnt priced too bad, so I bought it.
 
Pawn shops seem to be mostly rip offs with an occaisional lucky find.

That being said, I've seen a few pretty nice gun shops that labeled themselves as a pawn shop even though they were primarily a gun shop.
 
Bottom line, pawn shops are not charity organizations. They are for-profit businesses. Double Naught Spy

My point exactly!!!

I guess you can technically and correctly argue it is a loan secured by collateral . Although, a lot of the people who do business with them could not afford to buy the items back even if they wanted to. So, yes, it is a for profit business that takes advantage of the situation. As far as being predatory in nature or a necessary option - that was left open for others to decide or respond to.

I really don't see it as being much different from other loan companies or banks pushing loans that they know a person cannot pay back. I know of one bank that loaned a 26 year old (yes he is an adult) $45,000 on a vehicle when he was only making $8.50 an hour. Wonder who won out on that one? They knew they would repo it within 3 months when the loan was made, but they already had his other vehicle which was paid for, as a down payment.

I agree it is a fact that individuals with poor credit have few places to turn.
If they want or have to do business for pennies on the dollar, I suspect they also know what to expect.
 
I guess you can technically and correctly argue it is a loan secured by collateral .

That is how loans work at pawn shops.

Although, a lot of the people who do business with them could not afford to buy the items back even if they wanted to. So, yes, it is a for profit business that takes advantage of the situation.

I really don't see it as being much different from other loan companies or banks pushing loans that they know a person cannot pay back. I know of one bank that loaned a 26 year old (yes he is an adult) $45,000 on a vehicle when he was only making $8.50 an hour. Wonder who won out on that one? They knew they would repo it within 3 months when the loan was made, but they already had his other vehicle which was paid for, as a down payment.

This is where your ignorance of how things work comes into play. Unlike banks, pawn shops do not run credit checks on people making loans. Loans are made based on the collateral brought in, not on a person's ability or willingness to pick up the pawned item. So the pawnbroker hasn't a clue as to whether the person can get their stuff back or not and does not care one way or the other. Either the person does have the intent and ability and the broker makes a profit on the loan or the doesn't and the pawnbroker is forced to resell the merchandise to recoup the lost loan.

The way the system works is that a person brings in an item to pawn. The pawnbroker will loan X$ on the item. That amount of money is essentially an amount based on what the pawnbroker thinks the item can be sold for while allowing the broker to make a profit. In our stores 20 years ago, that that figure was essentially 1/3 on common items, 1/2 on certain types of items that were better movers, and up to 3/4 on some higher dollar items such as better firearms. Now 1/3 doesn't sound like much compared to ALL THAT profit being made, only all that profit includes all expenses (rent, utilities, wages, income tax, insurance, losses due to theft, breakage, etc., losses due to merchandise being confiscated). All of a sudden, one comes to realize that the amount loaned on an item is not the true cost of the item to the pawnbroker. It costs MUCH more than what is loaned.

As far as being predatory in nature or a necessary option - that was left open for others to decide or respond to.

This is an amazingly naive statement. Pawnshops do not hunt down people and force them into pawning their belongings. People search out pawnshops for that purpose. Pawnshops no more make people do business with them than hospitals make injured people do business with them or taxi drivers make pedestrians ride with them.

Unlike banks, pawnshops also do not report defaulted loans to credit organizations. The person getting the loan is under NO OBLIGATION pay off the loan.

If people want to take the time to sell an item in order to get more money than pawning it at a pawn shop, they are certainly entitled to do so. Of course, then THEY are at the mercy of their potential clients, waiting to see if somebody will answer their newspaper ad for their car stereo, wedding ring, or rifle, then dealing with the potential customers who come and look at their item for sale and spending the time haggling over a price...or they can go to a pawn shop and pawn the item without all the hassles noted, or sell it to the broker (but most pawn it). In fact, you would be hard pressed to find too many shops that have more than 20% of their loans that are not redeemed.

Since you do, in fact, seem to understand that pawn shops are for-profit businesses and not charities, why would you suggest they are doing something wrong by not paying full market value on an item submitted for a loan? You never addressed this aspect.

Of course, if you are willing to start a charity organization to help out financially distressed people, I wish you the best of luck. As with so many others, it will be non-viable and collapse. You can't both loan out the amount of money that people NEED and loan out the amount of money people can PAY BACK when said people are financially ruined. If you loan them the amount they can pay back, then it isn't enough to meet the amount they need and if you loan them what they need, they can't pay it back. Funny how that works. However, if you come up with a plan that makes it happen, you let us know, okay? You can start by bailing out the lending institutions right now.

This is why pawnshops on on what they perceive the resale value of the item is to them, not relative to the amount a person can or is willing to pay back. It is about the collateral, which is held by the pawnshop, not about the person.
 
Pawn Shops

Double Naught Spy - I am very aware of how pawn shops do business. Twice today you have called me ignorant and been condescending because I have an opinion that differs from yours. In contrast, I have been both respectful and courteous in my responses. Nobody said you did not have a right to make a living running a pawn shop or any other legal business. On the other hand, the rest of us have a right to our opinions and yours is certainly not more valid than anyone else's. You can spin it anyway you want - but there are some businesses and business practices that I personally, along with others rate lower than others. Not saying they are necessarily wrong, just not what I would do.
 
I have found great deals at pawn shops and as long as you know what to look for its GTG

During the Ban I bought a Pre-Ban HK USP 40, w 3 'Hi caps' for like 400 OTD

Ive seen all kinds of deals. just knw what to look for
 
If the beast is in good condition and the price is right, then put your money on the counter and tell the man to wrap it up. :D
 
I buy a lot from pawn shops.
That old saying applies, "Buyer Beware."
I got great deals and not so great of deals. I continue to buy from them because over all, I am very satisfied.:)
 
Most of the guns in my safe came from a pawn shop

auction. There is a couple of Kansas City pawnshops that have an auction once a month and it's very seldom I leave without buying a gun from them. In fact I bought a Ruger Mk1 with a red dot scope mounted just last night. I have 27 guns in the safe and 20 of them are from these monthly auctions. All are FFL transfers so I don't believe I will have any problems. Also, these guys seem honest enough to make it right if I did buy a stolen firearm from them.
 
Chances are, you won't be buying a stolen firearm from them because all firearms going through the shops will have been checked by the police first. After that point, if you do get one, it isn't a matter of honesty as to whether or not you get your money back, but policy and kindness. They may have sold a gun to you, checked by the police, that turned out to be stolen at some later point. So the sale to you was 100% honest and 100% in good faith. It had the blessing of being checked by the cops.

So if the shop makes it right with you because a gun they sold you turns out to be stolen after the sale, then the shop's mgmt is just very good people and they are more willing to be the victim of the deal than to allow you to be the victim.
 
I'd Buy There.

I don't have a problem with pawn shops. They're closely watched around here and have to fill out the trace paperwork to make sure they're not hot.

I've bought used firearms from "swap & shop" paper ads, and to tell you the truth, you probably have better protection buying from a pawn shop, since they have to at least run the numbers.:scrutiny:

I've never bought from a pawn shop ONLY because I've never seen anything in one I wanted to own - but now that we have things going on like Hillary Holes :fire:in new S&W revolvers, I'm likely to look in pawn shops more often.
 
It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money. It's the responsibility of the BUYER to know what he is paying for.

If I insist on NEW firearms, it's for specific reasons, such as, I need to know exactly what has been done to a barrel. Or I want the warranty.

But if all I need is a gun for general purposes, there is absolutely no reason I wouldn't trust a used one. For example, I have a friend who wants to go hunting with me, but is afraid of the recoil. I'm not going to send him to Impact for a new mid-entry Remington. I'm sending him to a pawn shop for any used brand-name bolt in .243 that already has rings on it. The handguns I would be looking at used would be Glocks, because you have to try REALLY HARD to destroy one in the first place, and 1911s, because I can detail strip, inspect, and repair whatever I need to. I have ALL guns I purchase, new or used, looked over by a gunsmith anyway. (A friend of mine just ordered from the factory a customized hi-cap that arrived with the slide indented so badly he couldn't field strip it.) New doesn't guarantee anything other than who is going to pay for shipping, and even then it's not always guaranteed.

Particularly people who are looking for AKs and SKSs, I tell them to go to the pawn shops and save some money. It's not like they were getting a new one anyway.
 
The only negative comment I have about pawn shops in my area are that they never have anything worth wide!!

Mostly Junk! :barf:
 
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