How do you hold your flashlight???

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TarpleyG

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Okay, I just learned that the FL State IDPA Match might have a low light stage. I remember seeing a pic of someone holding a flashlight in thier weak hand and still using that hand to hold the gun.

What is the proper method to hold your flashlight while shooting? Can someone post a picture?

I have Surefire 6Ps if that matters.

GT
 
http://strategosintl.com/pdfs/FlashlightUsageSection.pdf

Go to this website. Shows the pros/cons of all the different flashlight techniques. Which one's are good for smaller lights, like yours, etc. Once you look, play around with the different ways dry fire and live fire. Find the technique which works best for you. For that technique may not work best for me.

Good luck at the match.
 
tetleyb,

The above reference is quite complete and mirrors my instructors training and philosophy.

There is no substitute for professional training and shooting and night.

Thanks for the link.

Charles
 
I had no idea there were that many methods to holding a flashlight.

Thanks,
GT
 
GT,

There are a lot of different techniques and each has it strengths and weakness. Contrary to the views espoused by some instructors there is no single best technique. There are techniques that work well for some situations, but do not work well for others. For example, the Harries technique works very well for a right handed shooter working on the right hand side of cover, but exposes the right hand shooter too much from the left side of cover. This list can go on and on. I recommend learning techniques that will work best for your situations and practicing them in low light.

If you have the time and resources I highly recommend a low light training course, there are a lot of good ones out there. A low light course is a real eye opener….I learned a lot.

I highly recommend a night course to anyone who chooses to keep a firearm for self defense.

Charles

BTW good luck in the FL State IDPA Match.
 
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I have been practicing holding it like this.

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I have learned to keep my thumbs lower. This is actually comfortable for me and I have become quite proficient shooting like this.

clipse
 
I highly recommend a night course to anyone who chooses to keep a firearm for self defense.

You should always have some sort of low light training or even a "night shoot" at a training course. Even an indoor range, where you can control the lighting conditions. When I train others, I try to work them through the entire "low light" spectrum.

If the sun goes down at say 7PM, I like to have them shoot drills at 6, 6:30, 7, 7:30, etc. All the way to using their handheld lights. An indoor range can allow you to do this at any time of the day.

Believe me, if you get involved in a shooting, it most likely will be in low light conditions. If the case ever goes to court, criminal or civil, you look good, attending this type of training.

You have to able to identify the threat, before you can fire. This kinda goes along with the threads of "should I carry a flashlight with me at all times." Yep, you should.
 
Try to find a place to shoot in low light or at night before trying to compete.
It's amazing how far off you can put your shots when you try it for the first time.

Harries has always worked best for me.

Smoke
 
I prefer to hold the light with my weak hand and operate it with my thumb. I like to have the light and gun be able to move independently. Most of the time I find myself with a gun an light out I am wearing armor. Being barrel chested it is uncomfortable to try to keep the light and gun together and is not condusive for me for movement. I have found this to work well even when sweating or bleeding. The syringe grip seems to slide around under less than perferct conditions. It seems to be a complex motor skill and proves to be and uncomfortable hold for long periods of time. I prefer to wrap all my Surefires with a piece of 550 cord. The use of the lanyard became very evident in the low light course I just attended. Made reloads way smoother.
 

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Paracord is not a bad idea but then it won't fit into my belt carrier. I have pondering an O-ring. I might hit the auto parts store or Home Depot to see if I can find something that will work. It would still need to be placed farther forward than customary so that I can holster it.

GT
 
Tetleyb,

The class you offer sounds like a well thought out class. It is important to understand how each lighting level will affect you.

The best night class I have done was structured very similarly. The course started at 6:00 pm and progressed through about 2:00 am. The night I shot the course, I think it was 28 degrees F. Hey, a night and cold weather course together!

The course I shot utilized multiple light techniques. I went into the course familiar with the Surefire-Rogers, Harries, Ayoob, Chapman and the FBI techniques and thought I was “good to go.†The course was an eye opening experience.

We shot both with and without night sights. We shot with flashlights and without flashlights.

We shot in varying degrees of illumination. With lights behind us. Lights in front of us. With car head lights. Into targets with car style head lights beside us. Utilizing the Blue flashing lights of a police car. In a field without illumination and in a dark kill house. We shot with cover and concealment, we shot moving laterally, forward and retreating. We also shot from the ground. We practiced reloads and failure drills at night. This course had about 3 hours of class room and 8 hours of range time.

The course showed me what does work and what does not work. It also enlightened me about at lot of the “facts†that are espoused by the major gun literature.

Clubsoda22, Fix,

If all your guns have mounted lights, or if your carry concealed and you choose to carry the gun with the light mounted, or if you only have one go to gun that you utilize for home defense at night; then I think your strategy is fine. If you do not meet one of the above criterion then I think you should strongly consider rethinking your strategy. For some scenarios a weapon mounted light is the superior choice, but there are a lot of situations in which it is impractical.

I choose to carry concealed and I leave my house at night. I choose not to try to conceal a weapon mounted light so I carry a light with me and have learned the proper techniques to utilize a separate light.

If you have a weapon mounted light I really think you should still consider learning to use a separate light. There are times that a separate light can be advantageous.

Clipse,

IMHO, the Surefire-Rogers technique is one of the more flexible techniques with fewer weakness than strengths. This technique works best for me with a weapon with night sights. The only weakness of this technique in my opinion is “hand confusion.†I have never experienced this, but I understand it is quite real.

Smoke, The Harries, like any other style, has both strengths and weakness. The Harries style really does not work well shooting from the left hand side of cover.

Mercop, I believe you are referring to the neck index technique as taught by the Surefire academy. If I could only use one technique. I believe this is the technique I would choose.

Again; I reiterate, If you are going to carry a gun for self defense get professional training. There is no substitute for professional training. As stated by one of the famous gun writers, if owning a violin does not make you a musician, why does owning a gun and the right gear make us gunfighters?

There is no single best flashlight technique, each has its strengths and weakness and to be most proficient you should be familiar with all the techniques, have professional training, shoot realistically at night and evaluate which techniques work best for you with each situation.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Charles
 
If all your guns have mounted lights, or if your carry concealed and you choose to carry the gun with the light mounted, or if you only have one go to gun that you utilize for home defense at night; then I think your strategy is fine.

I do practice with a handheld using the Rogers Technique a great deal, because I sometimes carry wheelguns. I still feel the mounted light is far superior though. Even better is a mounted light AND a handheld, provided you train that way.
 
What ever you do, make sure you practice. This isn't difficult but it looks easier than it is.
I shot a night match last summer (IDPA). I had no problem just holding the light and shooting. But I quickly realized that I had never actually practiced doing a mag change with the light. Then I had a malfunction. Looking back on it, I bet I was limp wristing the gun because of the flashlight. Anyway, at this point I fell apart like a cheap suit. I ended up shooting the rest of the stage using a technique I made up on the spot.
Practice malfunctions with the light. Practice magazine changes with the light. Practice firing after doing any of the above. It isn't just about shooting.
For reality training practice how you would search with the light and gun. Think about the pros and cons of using a firing stance/grip to search. Practice drawing your light and your gun from concealment just like you might have to do as a CCW holder. It isn't just about shooting.
 
Here's a good tactical flashlight photo series:

selfdefenseforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5870


Hopefully this is setup for you to cut and paste to your browser; not to sure if hotlinking hogs thier bandwidth or not.

Like in the photos above and some others here have replied, I like to have my light in one hand and my gun in the other. I don't like any of the 2Hand combo techniques.
 
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