Trey Veston
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When it starts showing up on the shelves of the smaller Wal-Mart stores.
I guess 9mm didn't make it then...
When it starts showing up on the shelves of the smaller Wal-Mart stores.
Every year or two it seems like the manufacturers come up with the latest and greatest new cartridge. Some make it, some don't, and some end up as zombies (still around, not widely adopted or available). It looks to me that 6.5 Creedmore, for example, is popular enough that it has made it and will continue to be available for the forseeable. I hear enough mention of it and enough manufacturers have come up with rifles, ammo, components, dies, etc. Other than really, really clear examples like this, how do we know a cartridge has made it?
The genesis of my question is that I like the idea to 350 legend, but I am not eager to join the parade until I know this will not end up being an orphan.
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The calibers in my collection are .22LR, .380, .357, 9mm, and.44 mag, all tried and true calibers that I have confidence aren't going away any time soon. I think my wife's five seven is a bit iffy but that was her pick.
Ruger just announced their Model 57. That is going to help your cause considerably!I think my wife's five seven is a bit iffy but that was her pick.
Cartridges, not calibers.
I've even seen some so called "gun writers" make that mistake. I'm starting to wonder if the two words have become interchangeable. Personally don't see how they can having a technical background but maybe I'm just getting old and things are moving faster than I am.
Jack O'Connor would slap you stupid.
This is all my own humble opinion and the way I look at such things, everyone is entitled to their own ways in their own life. I'm not judging others.
The calibers in my collection are .22LR, .380, .357, 9mm, and.44 mag, all tried and true calibers that I have confidence aren't going away any time soon. I think my wife's five seven is a bit iffy but that was her pick.
Cartridges, not calibers.
I've even seen some so called "gun writers" make that mistake. I'm starting to wonder if the two words have become interchangeable. Personally don't see how they can having a technical background but maybe I'm just getting old and things are moving faster than I am.
Jack O'Connor would slap you stupid.
I agree that bullets are cartridges, but I have yet to see a gun stamped "xx cartridge" and I was referring in my original reply to my guns not my bullets.If one goes into the store and asks for some 9mm caliber rounds they'll probably get lucky and get 9mm cartridges, but go in and ask for .30 caliber ammo and you'll likely end up with .30 Carbine which isn't going to work well in your .300 Win Mag.
As a reloader and caster you learn real quick the difference between caliber and cartridge.
How do you know?
How long does it have to be popular? 25 years, 50 years, 100 years? Some of the cartridges that people think have made the big leagues won't be popular in 25 years. People will tire of them and go back to the tried and true 50 and 100 year old cartridges. As gun manufacturers struggle to sell new guns and used guns endure, the ammo companies will build what they can sell. The prices for new unproven cartridges keeps increasing and eventually they become unavailable unless you happen to manufacture it yourself. Paying a dollar a round for a new cartridge is pretty unbelievable for me but I guess some people do that. New cartridges come and go all the time because mostly they can't significantly do anything an older cartridge can't. 9x19 Parabellum and .308 Win are two examples, 118 and 64 years old respectively. Marketing new cartridges is a fool's errand because most won't be supported by ammo manufacturers in the near future. Personally, I wouldn't buy a new firearm chambered for any cartridge that isn't at least 50 years old and in good supply. Of course that's just my opinion.
I was going to let this go but now that CoalTrain49 has chimed in I have to reply.
In my original post, and perhaps I wasn't clear, I meant that I had 5 different caliber firearms in my collection with multiple guns in the same caliber. Since caliber refers to the size of the cartridge that the gun takes I was making a point that I had few different calibers in a larger number of firearms. I have a great deal more cartridges than I do firearms. I was repeating calibers across multiple firearm platforms.
I think it is correct to say I have, for example, a .357 caliber Ruger Blackhawk.
Or, at least Ruger thinks it is.
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Now bullets in boxes always refer to themselves as cartridges (I have a bunch of pictures of that to prove that point) but many gun makers refer to the size of the bullet their gun takes as Cal XX.
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I agree that bullets are cartridges
Wow IMHO that's no fun limiting one's self to only 50+ year old cartridges. There are plenty of old cartridge that are all find and dandy. I have some old ones in my collection for sure. Some are tried and true 22 LR, 22 WMR, 38 Special, 45 ACP, 30-06, 270 Win, 410 Bore, 12 ga 2.75" & 3.00", and some are nearly obsolete 38 S&W/38-200, 8.15x46R, 7.65x53.
That said I have a bunch of cartridges that are less than 50 years old and in some cases significantly less than 50 years old and they get used more than the older cartridges in my case.
450 Bushmaster (2007) My primary deer gun for the past three years
300 Blackout (2011) My general purpose ride around in the UTV/tractor carbine
10mm Auto (1983) took my first two revolver kills on deer with this cartridge
40S&W (1990) USPSA, carry
30 Remington AR (2008) yeah its nearly dead already but I just built one and am looking forward to working up a load for it. As long as I got brass and dies it's not dead for me.
12 gauge 3.5-inch (1988) My turkey gun
6mm Creedmoor (2007) my newest gun for precision rifle matches and similar long range shooting.
Variety is the spice of life, and shooting...
Fo ShoWhen the US military adopts it.
What's stamped on the cartridge case?I load my 9mm ammo with .357 bullets. So does that make it a .357 caliber pistol?
No, that would be incorrect. The correct nomenclature would be Ruger Blackhawk in .357 Magnum caliber, or more correctly, .357 S&W Magnum. Ruger has stamped that Blackhawk correctly. Only Black Powder arms are correctly denoted by the caliber only, without a cartridge name. Many gun manufacturers incorrectly mark their guns, such as the Colt .380 in the middle of your montage of gun markings. The correct marking could be .380 ACP, .380 Auto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short, 9mm Corto, 9x17mm, or 9mm Browning or 9mm Browning Court.I think it is correct to say I have, for example, a .357 caliber Ruger Blackhawk.
What's stamped on the cartridge case?
.38, .357 and 9mm bullets are virtually the same size. Learned that when I was reloading for my .357.
But once again, the post I made referring to my various calibers was referring to my firearms, not my ammo.
That is what I did.Why not describe your firearms by the cartridge they were designed to shoot?.
The calibers in my collection are .22LR, .380, .357, 9mm, and.44 mag, all tried and true calibers that I have confidence aren't going away any time soon. I think my wife's five seven is a bit iffy but that was her pick.
99.9% of barrel stamps refer to the ammo or cartridge to be used, not the caliber. Whoever stamped those Ruger barrels and that Colt barrel was a rookie. If firearms mfg's can't get it right it's no wonder people wander around confused.
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I have never been to any store that sold ammo that DIDN'T have 9mm. It is certainly on the shelf at my tiny little Wal-Mart.I guess 9mm didn't make it then...
I have never been to any store that sold ammo that DIDN'T have 9mm. It is certainly on the shelf at my tiny little Wal-Mart.
But you just make joke, right, comrade? Talk at you later.