thesolidus
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I live in California... (i know uhg.)
Talk to lots of people, friends at work etc and lots are very anti RKBA, hunting, everything.
A couple conversations i've had came to mind, thought i'd share and see how others talk with folks about RKBA, hunting etc.
I usually talk about "defense" not 'guns.' Invariable someone says they don't like guns. I say "I wasn't talking about guns, just defense. You think it's okay to defend yourself right?" Once they think that's okay it's an easy leap to wanting to have the best tool to do that. Had some anti- folks even turn around a bit.
(Personally I think if there were no guns, California would be passing "Spear Control Laws..."
I always equate hunting to fishing. Lots of folks don't like hunting 'cause they don't like guns. They think it's okay for me to 'catch fish' and when i say we're going to 'catch deer' they think it's cool! When they ask how I 'catch them' I say that shooting is the best way, it's quick, sure and more humane than any other method including what's used for 'factory meat.'
I've had vegetarians suddenly look at me as an environmentalist with that, and they see the need for the gun, and get a bit more friendly.
Vegetarians tend to make carnivores look unnatural. Hit them with their same dialogue. "All paths are sacred right? I choose to honor the spirit and sacrifice of this noble animal and my role as natural predator in the chain of life. The meat is local, free range and organic. Other paths are okay too. Some of the vegetarian stuff is a little too processed for me though. Now they look at the shrink wrapped, processed tofu-burger and feel maybe they're not so natural after all, and hunting sounds more like a environmental thing.
When people say that 'the police should handle it." I agree (usually true) and say "sure, as long as you're in the city." When they question i give them the 'your so sheltered look' and explain how a majority of the country has a police response time of >10-15 min. And how my parents are served by One Sheriff covering hundreds of miles, with a 30+ min response time.
Tell them about Dad shooting a rabid critter (there's no game warden in that county...) and they see that having a gun is a reasonable tool in the country.
When people talk about gun control and try to make me look the paranoid one, I flip it and ask "what if there were No guns like they were never invented? There would still be violence right? We need to address the violence in society and in ourselves and not attack the tools which are inanimate. 'Do not blame the fist, see to the heart of the man striking you. That is where the violence lays.' Suddenly the 'gun guy' is a peace spouting hippie and the anti- sees that they are the one's out of balance, angry or irrational.
With the Somali coast piracy in the news i've been saying how these ships NOT being armed is irresponsible and promoting piracy. How the millions of dollars will arm the pirates and probably lead to another Darfur or Rawanda. How the pirates can strike and escape long before authorities can reach the area. How we need to give aid to the people, give options to the pirates, but defend with lethal force our ships. How having one or two armed sailors on each ship would end coastal piracy very quickly and how easy it is to train an average citizen. (See the parallel to CCW and home defense carry?)
If I can divert the discussion away from guns and to 'Defense'. or "food catching' talk about how misplaced Pacifism can propagate the very evil it is against, often people lose their obstinance and agree that guns have a place... from there opening people to RKBA is easier.
Just my spin anyway.
How do you guys talk with people who are anti-RKBA and often hostile in their beliefs?
P.S. Arguing with anti-gun Canadians is impossible. "If citizens didn't have guns we'd still be part of England... oh,... wait... You ARE still part of England!!!" Hahahahaaha.
Talk to lots of people, friends at work etc and lots are very anti RKBA, hunting, everything.
A couple conversations i've had came to mind, thought i'd share and see how others talk with folks about RKBA, hunting etc.
I usually talk about "defense" not 'guns.' Invariable someone says they don't like guns. I say "I wasn't talking about guns, just defense. You think it's okay to defend yourself right?" Once they think that's okay it's an easy leap to wanting to have the best tool to do that. Had some anti- folks even turn around a bit.
(Personally I think if there were no guns, California would be passing "Spear Control Laws..."
I always equate hunting to fishing. Lots of folks don't like hunting 'cause they don't like guns. They think it's okay for me to 'catch fish' and when i say we're going to 'catch deer' they think it's cool! When they ask how I 'catch them' I say that shooting is the best way, it's quick, sure and more humane than any other method including what's used for 'factory meat.'
I've had vegetarians suddenly look at me as an environmentalist with that, and they see the need for the gun, and get a bit more friendly.
Vegetarians tend to make carnivores look unnatural. Hit them with their same dialogue. "All paths are sacred right? I choose to honor the spirit and sacrifice of this noble animal and my role as natural predator in the chain of life. The meat is local, free range and organic. Other paths are okay too. Some of the vegetarian stuff is a little too processed for me though. Now they look at the shrink wrapped, processed tofu-burger and feel maybe they're not so natural after all, and hunting sounds more like a environmental thing.
When people say that 'the police should handle it." I agree (usually true) and say "sure, as long as you're in the city." When they question i give them the 'your so sheltered look' and explain how a majority of the country has a police response time of >10-15 min. And how my parents are served by One Sheriff covering hundreds of miles, with a 30+ min response time.
Tell them about Dad shooting a rabid critter (there's no game warden in that county...) and they see that having a gun is a reasonable tool in the country.
When people talk about gun control and try to make me look the paranoid one, I flip it and ask "what if there were No guns like they were never invented? There would still be violence right? We need to address the violence in society and in ourselves and not attack the tools which are inanimate. 'Do not blame the fist, see to the heart of the man striking you. That is where the violence lays.' Suddenly the 'gun guy' is a peace spouting hippie and the anti- sees that they are the one's out of balance, angry or irrational.
With the Somali coast piracy in the news i've been saying how these ships NOT being armed is irresponsible and promoting piracy. How the millions of dollars will arm the pirates and probably lead to another Darfur or Rawanda. How the pirates can strike and escape long before authorities can reach the area. How we need to give aid to the people, give options to the pirates, but defend with lethal force our ships. How having one or two armed sailors on each ship would end coastal piracy very quickly and how easy it is to train an average citizen. (See the parallel to CCW and home defense carry?)
If I can divert the discussion away from guns and to 'Defense'. or "food catching' talk about how misplaced Pacifism can propagate the very evil it is against, often people lose their obstinance and agree that guns have a place... from there opening people to RKBA is easier.
Just my spin anyway.
How do you guys talk with people who are anti-RKBA and often hostile in their beliefs?
P.S. Arguing with anti-gun Canadians is impossible. "If citizens didn't have guns we'd still be part of England... oh,... wait... You ARE still part of England!!!" Hahahahaaha.