Talked to an anti last night at the gym...

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I was working on the machines, doing some upper body strength exercises (for a more stable shooting platform :) ) when I heard some chick talking to another guy saying "...I think only the police and the army should have guns. I don't like guns or fighting... blah blah blah"

So I just asked her if she thought then that only the British in 1776 should have had guns? Now, I could have brought up a million other questions but that's the one that came to mind first.

Okay, here's the answer she had which shows just how much thought (like none) goes into the anti-gun mindset. She says to me "Well that was different."

Yeah, right, different.

I didn't get a chance to say anything else and it probably wasn't appropriate to push the issue any farther but I think she got the point that there are still people out there that don't think the way she does. The problem was that the guy she was talking to was in full agreement.

I think that this country is doomed in it's present form. The average American now seem to have no idea how costly and valuable their freedom is. They are willing to sell it all for a little percieved security.

The more of this I encounter the more I begin to feel that there will be no peaceful solution to the problem of lost Liberties. They are not coming back without a fight. The encouraging thing about it though is that with people like this chick in the gym they are not willing to fight for anything. If a certain section of the US were to suceed from the union I'd almost bet that would become a new country because all the cowards would be to afraid to fight them over it?
 
think that this country is doomed in it's present form. The average American now seem to have no idea how costly and valuable their freedom is. They are willing to sell it all for a little percieved security.

The more of this I encounter the more I begin to feel that there will be no peaceful solution to the problem of lost Liberties. They are not coming back without a fight.
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I've thought the same thing for years. I sincerely believe that the average American is fat, stupid, lazy, and apathetic. A society consisting of a majority of such people is the perfect breeding medium for the cancerous cyst known as tyrrany.
 
I think that this country is doomed in it's present form
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I sincerely believe that the average American is fat, stupid, lazy, and apathetic.
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I don't disagree. But average is average, and I fervently believe that as long as there remains a critical mass of free-thinking patriots, the ideals that we hold dear will not die. And those ideals will be the glowing ember that re-ignites the fire when needed.

In the meantime, we must teach the kids--they're the real hope.

TC
TFL Survivor
 
It's been said that maybe 5% of the population actively preserves and nurtures the culture of a given society. Sometime SHTF-type events occur (like September 11) that force teh population at large to resond and make choices, and they either come together and focus on the common threat or the don't (and are lost).

I think we Americans are still a pretty good bunch overall (hell, gun sales went up after 9/11), but I share your concern, as there's no shortage of mindless sheople who have become lazy, complacent, and too dependent on the .gov. They're much more concerned about big screen TVs, SUVs, and Brittany Spears than things that actually impact their lives. And all that socialistic PC/diversity crapso many ape is particularly corrosive because it obsures reality and focuses on what makes us different (ethnicity/multiculturalism) rather than what we have in common as Americans. What they don't realize is that as Americans, were are already the most diverse and tolerant society on Earth (the melting pot, ya know-), and we really don't need more social engineering to achieve 'diversity'.

Overall, the 2A/gun rights movementis chugging along pretty well - more and more states are going 'shall issue', it appears that gun control won't be a major issue in the next election, but bear in mind one thing:we must never stop working to preserve our rights, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

There will always be those who would limit oour rights and threaten our freedom, so we will always need to be in the fray. But for now, we'doing OK.
 
Well then the SHTF those folks will die. There enough said. They'll go happy to get cleaned up in the shower and we wont be hassled by them again. What 280 million folks? I bet 200 of them would go without so much as a peep, while they look at the tree line for someone else to help the. Well just let them pray to the same GOD they scoff at now.
 
I heard some chick talking to another guy saying "...I think only the police and the army should have guns. I don't like guns or fighting...
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I think only military and police should have gyms... I don't like treadmills or exercising! :eek:
 
I was working on the machines, doing some upper body strength exercises (for a more stable shooting platform ) when I heard some chick talking to another guy saying "...I think only the police and the army should have guns. I don't like guns or fighting... blah blah blah"
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I suggest a response to this is a game of "Let's Pretend."

You: Let's pretend what you advocate has come true. Only the police and military have guns. You are absolutely, entirely happy with that?

She: Yes.

You: Let's also pretend I am a police officer. I am armed, you are not. None of your friends are armed. You are totally dependent on me for your safety and security. You are absolutely, entirely happy with that?

She: Yes.

You: You feel safe and secure?

She: Yes.

You: Take off your clothes!

I guarantee the look on the gal's face will be precious.

Pilgrim
 
alot of the sheeple are parrots that mouth the words
that they have been told without really processing the reality.

put the "average" soccer mom in a situation where she had to do something
aggressive to protect her children from imminant harm,
and i would bet the can do american spirt that stormed Normandy would appear.
 
I think that this country is doomed in it's present form. The average American now seem to have no idea how costly and valuable their freedom is. They are willing to sell it all for a little percieved security.
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I don't think so. I think they're willing to hand over the nation's civil rights to the first smiling politican who says it's the right thing to do.
 
Well if they would just get it over with and declare California a gun-free zone I'd finally have the impetus to move somewhere else. By creeping up on it I'm more likely to stay in my future ghetto.
 
In the meantime, we must teach the kids--they're the real hope.
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I agree, but as the education system becomes more and more leftist, each generation gets worse.

I graduated high school in 1987, and even then we were starting with the "Thomas Jefferson owned slaves" and "the most important thing about WW II was the internment of the Japanese-Americans" garbage.

And I hear its MUCH worse now. How do we fix it?
 
Opt out even if we're paying for it any way?

My parents sent me to public school...the education and competition was good but the politics of the non-natural science teachers were...umm...at least my grade didn't depend on me agreeing with them.
 
AmerFreeBird:
hopefully, this young woman is too apathetic to VOTE, too.
The more Antis we can keep out of the voting booth the better, then WE, the Pro 2As have to vote in huge numbers and constantly call Reps and Sens and include our voter registration # so they know we are serious.


Ojibweindian,
why is "fat" a term of denigration?
 
I don't even bother arguing with anti's any more. I had a co-worker who basically said the same thing. He said that in countries with stronger gun control laws, there is almost no crime. I told him he was incorrect and that for example in England, they have a very high crime rate on par if not more than the US. He told me I was wrong so I went to the Bureau of Statistics website and produced a report proving my point. He balked at the report and said it was wrong. I then asked him if he would feel safe walking the streets at night in LA or NY. He said no, so I asked him what states does he think have some of the strictest gun laws. Gee, could it be Kali and NY????? Well that's because all the criminals have guns.....Well, yaaaahhhh...if a criminal obtained his gun illegally, do you really think new gun restrictions will have an effect on them????

When confronted by hard evidence or logic, anti's usually just prove their ignorance by spouting unsubstantiated dribble. So why waste your time arguing with them. Always gives me a head ache lowering my intelligence so that I can converse on their levels. :)

When the SHTF, it is always these same anti's that are the first to bitch that they don't have guns to protect themselves. During the LA riots I worked at a gun store down in LA, and the first people through the doors were people asking for "assault weapons" and then bitched that they had to do the 16 day wait. Well gosh, you fudgers voted for the waiting period, so live with it. Those of us who were prepared just bought extra ammo.
 
When the SHTF, it is always these same anti's that are the first to bitch that they don't have guns to protect themselves. During the LA riots I worked at a gun store down in LA, and the first people through the doors were people asking for "assault weapons" and then bitched that they had to do the 16 day wait. Well gosh, you fudgers voted for the waiting period, so live with it. Those of us who were prepared just bought extra ammo.

During the LA riots I was working for McDonnell Douglas in Long Beach, CA
A co-worker was a vocal anti gun person......but when the riots started, he came to me and said "Jim, I need to borrow one of your guns to protect my family."......... I loaned him a gun with plenty of ammo.
 
Well if they would just get it over with and declare California a gun-free zone I'd finally have the impetus to move somewhere else. By creeping up on it I'm more likely to stay in my future ghetto.
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What follows is my analogy of gun control and other assorted government programs/policies:

Let's say you want to boil a frog while he's still alive.

If you drop him into a pot of boiling water, he will jump out. But if you place him in water at room temperature, and slowly increase the heat to boiling, letting him adjust to the temperatures as they rise, by the time the frog realizes what's happening it is too late.
 
Liberals "politics" are based purely on emotion. No logic or fact involved. My friend directly stated to me that he doesn't mind censorship as long as it doesn't effect him. Example used was deeming the passages in the bible condemning homosexuality "hate speech," which Canada has done. He doesn't care because he isn't religious.

To show him a paralell to his thinking, I did the Sieg Heil salute. And he got spitting mad, because I'M the right wing Bush supporting gun nut nazi.

Riiiiiight.

I'm the fascist because I believe in every individual right possible without damaging others?

Have fun in your brave new world, buddy.
 
DorGunR opined:
During the LA riots I was working for McDonnell Douglas in Long Beach, CA
A co-worker was a vocal anti gun person......but when the riots started, he came to me and said "Jim, I need to borrow one of your guns to protect my family."......... I loaned him a gun with plenty of ammo.
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Ya shoulda toyed with him a little first, kinda like Catbert with the cattoys--er, employees.

Y'know, something like: Well, OK, but I need some info from you to run a background check. It'll take 5 days to complete. I'll give you a call when you can come pick up the gun. :p

Then, when y'alls shift ended, made arrangements to get him the gun quickly, after he'd had time to think about it.
 
Yeah, papercut I should have done that........but hell, I'm a softie sometimes.......besides I knew he had two beautiful little girls ages 2 & 4
.......and the thought of those kids being hurt...........well;)
 
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The problem was that the guy she was talking to was in full agreement.
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AHHhhh,sounds like he was just agreeing to get in her pants....




Dangit, beat me too it. At the gym? Probably trying to pickup on her and you probably threw off his game...haha.
 
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