How does that Silencer help your shooting

[trackskippy]

One advantage to hearing loss is, that you learn to read lips pretty well, so you dont have to take the ear pro off.

The over/behind the head type muffs are a PITA in general, and especially when youre shooting a long gun. They interfere with shouldering the gun right, and tend to lose their seal when pressed up against the stock.

They also dont give you the level of protection the plugs do. I know the electronic type are popular, but from what Ive seen, most of them are in the low to mid 20's for decibel reduction. Where even the cheapest foam plugs usually give you the highest reduction, at around 33-34.

Suppressors knock something like 20-30 off the unsuppressed sound, but still leave you in the pretty high range for damage, at least according to all the charts Ive seen.

 

[psyopspec]

It makes range time more fun for me, and for newer shooters.

For HD, one could have a can mounted on something like an AR pistol. It will still be plenty loud, but the mitigation of blast would help take the edge off of potential hearing loss.

 

[Demi-human]

“It’s not my job to make sure you have ears on…” as he uncased a 50BMG…

No, it isn’t, but it’s that sort of attitude that turns others off to the sport. Laissez-faire attitude about my health while you hold the weapon? Sounds like you didn’t assure the line was ready.

When I use dangerous tools I make sure all others in the area are aware. Why would firearms be different than a chipper?

Yes, I warn veteran shooters about my braked 223 AR. Because, invariably, an old enough to know better, “classic shooter”, usually with a 270, will come to marvel and complain about it, even wearing muffs. Where are all the tough, self responsible guys when I’m around?

It isn’t my job to ensure another driver’s tank is filled. I still offer help to those on the side of the road. But it’s funny how a thread on the benefits of suppressors can possibly bring advise of “just wear ear pro”, from those who don’t like or use them. How would they know?

The cons are increased barrel length. And myths of shattering doors in the night because of a legally owned device.

The pros are myriad. From esthetically pleasing, to recoil and sound mitigation, to positive barrel compensation. Masking the shot location during varmint hunting, and disturbing neighbors less is just as valuable.

I’m “on the list” five times. Once more when my SBR clears and again next year when I suppress that. All of them were worth it, even the centerfire ones. Mine average to $415.00 each, with the stamp included, though I know others are not as fortunate as I.

I have had my POI shift when mounting a suppressor. I didn’t rework my load, I adjusted my scope. I have to do that for any load change.

In all, I believe them to absolutely be a benefit, one that everyone should enjoy, as they see fit or not, without government intrusion. I honestly can’t fathom why there are not suppressors designed to match the firearm at the time of drafting. An anodized blue aluminum one to match every Ruger MKIII LITE gill gun should be the norm. A blued steel can that matches the blue on the barrel of every M70.
We have mufflers on everything else, even vacuums and nail guns. Why not firearms, too?

 

[trackskippy]

Ive had the POI shift (a couple of inches at 100) with a couple of rifles, and both were 16" guns, both with scopes mounted. Accuracy group-wise was about the same on or off, but in both cases with it mounted, they just shifted off to the left a couple of inches, and slightly higher.

My 10.5" guns dont seem to have a problem with it and I havent seen any shift with them, scope or red dot.

 

[Zak Smith]

I think if you get to checking too, even with a suppressor mounted, most of them still exceed what is deemed the safe level (below 85db)

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Polite applause at a school play will exceed 85 dB.

The dB thresholds for steady state exposure are more like 40-50 dB less than the same threshold for impulse noise exposure.

 

[James Petti]

Perhaps soon, my rich uncle will let me have the one I bought and paid for over a year ago. I promise I'll be a good boy!

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

I make sure others have their ear pro on. The favor returned is appreciated.

If you are on a hot range without ear pro on you are doing it wrong.

 

[Soonerpesek]

It’s not my job to make sure you have ears on…” as he uncased a 50BMG…

No, it isn’t, but it’s that sort of attitude that turns others off to the sport. Laissez-faire attitude about my health while you hold the weapon? Sounds like you didn’t assure the line was ready.

If you are at a firearms range.................................PREPARE YOURSELF......................If someone has to hold your hand..........................well................
We don't need to take accountability for how you are prepared, cause it sure sounds like you are a seasoned veteran of the shooting sports....!!
I understand about new people to the sport, but neither you, or the OP of the comment is new................correct ?

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

No not new. Been shooting since the 70's. Sometimes i and others like to discus things on the range. It's mostly the young folks who blast away with out warning. I have got back at some of them. VIA shooting my Mosin 91/30. They learn to make sure everyone is ready.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

No not new. Been shooting since the 70's. Sometimes i and others like to discus things on the range. It's mostly the young folks who blast away with out warning. I have got back at some of them. VIA shooting my Mosin 91/30. They learn to make sure everyone is ready.

I don't know what ranges you use but all of ours have rules and RSO's.

Now if your plinking at a rock quarry that's a different animal but that sure isn't what people I know would call a " range".


...and it's still your job to wear appropriate PPE. Maybe a pair of powered earpro is something that you would benefit from.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

We have rules but no RSO's. I do shoot hand guns in the abandoned coal mines too. Usually have it to myself.

 

[Demi-human]

I can appreciate thread drift during conversation, but proper range etiquette really has nothing to do with suppressors. And I honestly find a cavalier attitude about any hazardous environment to be repugnant and against higher morals of conduct.
We go to ranges to operate firearms in a safer environment, do we not?
I would hope everyone here would stop some one from just walking into the lanes without protection, no matter what their experience number lapel pin says.

Even then I’ve had my fill of the “unexpected loud noises are cool” and “we’ll let you know the range is hot with machine gun fire” crowd.
Obviously, no one around here, I’m not casting blame, right?

I am my brothers keeper. Too many are not. I think that’s how we got where we are today.
But, I am as guilty of digression as the next…

I came here to talk about suppressors and maybe find a new excuse to blow money.
Anyway, suppressors are great, and even with one, I can wait to take a shot until you have ears on.
And glasses.

 

[JDeere]

One advantage to hearing loss is, that you learn to read lips pretty well, so you dont have to take the ear pro off.

Being able to hear and read lips is a great asset thank you. Of course with a good set of electronic muffs I can shoot and hear others as well as range commands very well.

The over/behind the head type muffs are a PITA in general, and especially when youre shooting a long gun. They interfere with shouldering the gun right, and tend to lose their seal when pressed up against the stock.
They also dont give you the level of protection the plugs do. I know the electronic type are popular, but from what Ive seen, most of them are in the low to mid 20's for decibel reduction. Where even the cheapest foam plugs usually give you the highest reduction, at around 33-34.

I have never had an issue with cheek weld and the electronic muffs I have use for years and they are 28 nrr. You are dreaming if you think those cheap foam plugs have a better nrr rating than a good pair of muffs. ymmv
As far as warning others on the line if I am about to fire, you would not last long at our range as there are 30 separate benches on the line. If the range is hot and you don't have your ears on, sorry...

 

[trackskippy]

Being able to hear and read lips is a great asset thank you. Of course with a good set of electronic muffs I can shoot and hear others as well as range commands very well.



I have never had an issue with cheek weld and the electronic muffs I have use for years and they are 28 nrr. You are dreaming if you think those cheap foam plugs have a better nrr rating than a good pair of muffs. ymmv
As far as warning others on the line if I am about to fire, you would not last long at our range as there are 30 separate benches on the line. If the range is hot and you don't have your ears on, sorry...

Ive worn both in a very loud and constant 10-12 hour environment. The foam plugs do work better. Much better. And they are arent the PITA the muffs end up being.

I have yet to find a set of muffs with a better rating (most of the foam plugs Ive seen and use are in the 33-34 range) or a set that are comfortable to wear for hours on end either. They arent comfortable for short periods. You can wear the plugs for hours on end and not even know they are there. They arent cumbersome and they dont need to be constantly fiddled with when youre actively doing things.

I dont know how you shoulder and shoot your long guns, but every set of muffs Ive ever worn while trying to shoot one, were distracting, interfered with my cheek weld, and the seal around my ear was usually broken due to them contacting the stock and moving them. They also screw with your glasses and can be a pain if you wear a hat. Shooting with plugs, is the exact same as shooting without them, just quieter.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

Ive worn both in a very loud and constant 10-12 hour environment. The foam plugs do work better. Much better. And they are arent the PITA the muffs end up being.

I have yet to find a set of muffs with a better rating (most of the foam plugs Ive seen and use are in the 33-34 range) or a set that are comfortable to wear for hours on end either. They arent comfortable for short periods. You can wear the plugs for hours on end and not even know they are there. They arent cumbersome and they dont need to be constantly fiddled with when youre actively doing things.

I dont know how you shoulder and shoot your long guns, but every set of muffs Ive ever worn while trying to shoot one, were distracting, interfered with my cheek weld, and the seal around my ear was usually broken due to them contacting the stock and moving them. They also screw with your glasses and can be a pain if you wear a hat. Shooting with plugs, is the exact same as shooting without them, just quieter.

Most everyone I know doubles up when shooting long guns. The advantage is being able to hold a normal conversation with the powered muffs.

 

[trackskippy]

How can you have a "normal" conversation if youre wearing plugs under the electric muffs? Seems like youre defeating the whole purpose.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

How can you have a "normal" conversation if youre wearing plugs under the electric muffs? Seems like youre defeating the whole purpose.

The muffs amplify the sound under 85dB and cut off when it goes over. Normal conversation is quite nice.

Think of it as "Miracle Ear" for shooters

 

[trackskippy]

Sounds like Miracle Ear might have designed them to get more business.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

Sounds like Miracle Ear might have designed them to get more business.

Maybe so but it works extremely well . An added bonus is comms is seamless.

 

[trackskippy]

I dont understand the part about putting plugs in to deaden the sound, but then using the muffs to increase it to defeat the plugs so you can talk. That makes no sense to me.

Why not increase the decibel reduction on the muffs to that of the plugs, so they are as effective as the plugs, so you dont have to wear them under the muffs?

Better yet, make a set of plugs that do what those muffs do. Then you dont have to deal with the muff problem at all.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

I dont understand the part about putting plugs in to deaden the sound, but then using the muffs to increase it to defeat the plugs so you can talk. That makes no sense to me.

Why not increase the decibel reduction on the muffs to that of the plugs, so they are as effective as the plugs, so you dont have to wear them under the muffs?

Better yet, make a set of plugs that do what those muffs do. Then you dont have to deal with the muff problem at all.

Because in ear will always suppress noise better than over the ear. Both are meant to deaden the sound of the shot not necessarily anything else. Just the big giant kaboom.

This is wear the muffs shine, they amplify the sound of regular conversation so you can hear clearly over top of the plugs. When a shot is fired they ADD to the over all noise reduction.

There are some in ear amplified plugs, they tend to cost a great deal of money and don't have the battery capacity of electronic muffs. I can't confirm how well they work compared to doubling up, I just don't know anyone that uses them They certainly won't work for comms if that's part of your plan.

For me the sweet spot for me would be a good suppressor and host so all I needed were the muffs. It's really nice to increase the sound of your environment. I can hear my neighbor talking on the phone in the backyard from inside my office with the gain up full. It's just something you have to try if you ever get the chance. I'll likely never go back to plugs alone.

 

[Demi-human]

Better yet, make a set of plugs that do what those muffs do. Then you dont have to deal with the muff problem at all.

Walkers Razor VX3.
I have them on now in fact.

I wear mine every day, even at the range.
I’ve found I’ve lost about thirty percent of my hearing so far. Yea, construction.
Glasses and muffs adorn every hangable point around my place now.

How do you get a young man to act like an old man?
Twenty years experience…

 

[Zak Smith]

Because in ear will always suppress noise better than over the ear. Both are meant to deaden the sound of the shot not necessarily anything else. Just the big giant kaboom.

This is wear the muffs shine, they amplify the sound of regular conversation so you can hear clearly over top of the plugs. When a shot is fired they ADD to the over all noise reduction.

There are some in ear amplified plugs, they tend to cost a great deal of money and don't have the battery capacity of electronic muffs. I can't confirm how well they work compared to doubling up, I just don't know anyone that uses them They certainly won't work for comms if that's part of your plan.
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This is correct. Wearing electronic muffs at max volume over good foamies both gives you maximum attenuation of loud noises but also brings back some chance of hearing speech. This is a common setup for me when I'm RO'ing stages with very loud muzzle brakes. The only thing better than this is the Opscore AMPs with the NFMI earplugs, which permit maximum sound reduction for loud noises but everyday sounds sound totally normal.