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How does the XCR stack up?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Generic Username #1, Dec 19, 2006.

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  1. Generic Username #1

    Generic Username #1 member

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    I've been looking at getting a Robarms XCR. For the money they seem comparable or better than an AR, with the added benefit of being able to swap barrels in under 2 minutes and firing other calibers.

    Has anyone here fired one? Can you guys help me find more info about them?
     
  2. El Tejon

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    Boy, of all the posts I WISH I could answer!:banghead:

    Where are those Mormons kids?
     
  3. Car Knocker

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    Lots of doors to knock on between here and there.
     
  4. Generic Username #1

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    Is there an inside joke I'm missing here?
     
  5. Zero_DgZ

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    I can change calibers on an AR, too. 2 pins (they're even captive) and dropping on a new upper and off I go...
     
  6. Ian

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    The company making the XCR is in Utah, Smegmalicious, as are the THR guys who run a shop selling a bunch of Robinson Arms products.
     
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    I have fired the two I own. My favorite feature is the adjustable gas port. On the max setting the recoil feels like an AR with a carbine gas system. Once you turn it to the second highest setting, the recoil is noticeably less than that of an AR with a rifle gas system. My Eotech stays on target the whole time. Other things to like include:

    The handguard profile is smaller than alot of AR quad rails.

    Less cleaning due to the gas piston.

    The mag sits higher in the gun so feeding is more reliable

    The stock is lower so the irons are aquired faster. (not so good for magnified optics but not so bad as to be a serious problem)

    Choice of folding, collapsing, or folding and collapsing stocks.

    Quick change barrel makes cleaning a snap and seems to hold zero very well.

    The bolt has fewer, but larger and stronger lugs than the AR and is easier to clean (except for the extractor which is a royal pain to remove).
     
  9. Generic Username #1

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    How was the accuracy?

    For my budget its looking like AR or XCR, so any info will help.
     
  10. LoadedDrum

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    I am getting about 1.5MOA with adcom 855
     
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    I've got to say that on paper, I really like what the XCR has to offer.

    Quite honestly: The lack of major military testing/usage to improve the design is what scares me about it. Seems like without the backing/financing/support/development dollars of a major military, you end up with rifles that are great in concept, but poor in execution. Example: M96, etc, etc, etc.

    These piston ARs (yeah, I know the XCR isn't an AR) are all the rage these days, and everyone likes to talk about their reliability on the internet, but to the man, everyone I have spoken with who saw one used in an intensive carbine class said the new piston uppers were considerably more apt to fail than the time proven modern DI uppers. Why? The answer is that they don't have 45 years of R&D and worldwide military use behind them. When they do, maybe then they can match or exceed a classic AR, at least in terms of reliability.

    That said, I'll still be following the XCR reports closely. The "new" rifle that really intrigues me the most is the FN SCAR entry. I believe that platform has been through exhaustive military trials in its current form, is based on the old FNC, and if it is introduced to the market in a true milspec-minus-the-happyswitch form, I believe I would buy with confidence. The Sig 556 may also fall into this category, depending on how much the upper shares with the European military 550 uppers. This is also yet to be seen, but time will tell.
     
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    "The answer is that they don't have 45 years of R&D"
    And all the changes in those 45 years of R&D were done in the first couple... such as chrome lined barrels and including a forward assist. All the changes since have been about barrel lengths and upper receiver configurations for attaching sights and lights. Nothing since Vietnam has been about function, because the .Mil has been pushing "Just Clean It" down everyone's throats.
    The new Piston AR's are only answering 1 of the AR's several issues.
     
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    I am pretty sure this is not true, at least if you take configurations other than 20" A1/A2 into account. Armalite did the first work on carbine vs. mid-length gas systems and the effect of gas port location on reliability. The M4 reliability study at Crane resulted in the various O-rings now used as standard to help extraction. There are also new bolt designs being used to aid bolt life and/or reliability, e.g. change of lug opposite extractor to balance forces; and the various LMT and other "enhanced" bolt designs.
     
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    Rubbish.
     
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    Used to be. :) We were the 2nd largest Robarm dealer in the country, but that was before the Veprs quit coming in.

    I wrote a SWAT magazine review of the XCR a couple of months ago. You can get it in PDF format from www.swatmag.com. I could try to condense a 2,000 word article for you, but it would probably be easier just to read the actual article.
     
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    Correia, went back through my old issues a couple of days ago. Cannot find this article that you keep referencing? Which month is it in???:confused:
     
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    Hmm... I looked all over that website, and they have a nice large image of the cover, but I don't see PDF's anywhere?
     
  18. El Tejon

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    Great, a vaporarticle about vaporware!:D
     
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    The issue is Oct. 06.
     
  20. El Tejon

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    Great, I'll check it out, did not see it when I got it.
     
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    Its the main cover feature.

    ...maybe all this vaporware stuff is just the result of a lack of paying attention? :D
     
  22. Coronach

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    ...Nooooooooooooo! :D
     
  23. Correia

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    El T, how could you miss it? It has PvtPyle on the cover looking all sorts of cool. (I needed a model) :)
     
  24. Generic Username #1

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    Can you take the upper off the lower, or is it permanently affixed? It looks like it would be tough to clean if you can't.
     
  25. El Tejon

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    Don't know, I've been breathing heavy for an XCR since what . . . SHOT Show in January of '06? Never saw the article, now sometimes I get busy, but SWAT is usually pulled out of the mail stack, along with SAR and SGN. I'll check after I get home from yoga and martial arts tonight.:)
     
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