How I make a Dagger (many pics...)

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Well, a few weeks back I posted a few photos of an ironwood handled dagger I made. I offered to do a "how it was made" post if there was interest, and a few folks asked that I do. I finally got the photos from my friend, so here it is.

My equipment is pretty rudamentery. I built a simple charcoal fired forge with an old hand cranked blower and accumulated some basic forging tools over the last 5 years... For this project, the tools used were:

Metal work:

28oz ballpein
28oz crosspein
28oz straightpein
various tongs
angle grinder with cut-off wheel
bench grinder
tap and die
axe file (single cut one side, double cut the other, safe edges)
needle files
wet/dry paper thru 400 grit

Wood work:

Table Saw
Band Saw
Drill Press
Drum Sander
Dremel with Drum Sander
papers thru 1500 grit
buffing wheel with white compound


Cool early winter day (Dec. 27th, '09). Shoveled out the smithy, cleaned up the bench and broomed out the ashes from the last fire. Collected some birchbark for fire starting. Since learning how a year ago, all my fires are started with flint'n'steel. I used my tiny 2-finger pocket kit.

***FIRE STARTING****
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We started with a rusty old coil spring I liberated from a wrecked Toyota in the woods not far from home. Heat, straighten a bit with the post vice, and lopped off a coil with the hardie

***cut and straighten coil****
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With our stock ready, we began to forge the tang. This knife will have a hidden tang. To prevent the knife from being too weak, care will be taken in the transition from blade to tang, so as to prevent too much stress rizer. Fairly early on, I begin to use the crosspein hammer to begin to flare the blade out from the stock. This way I can start to define the shoulder of the tang.

***forge tang and spread blade base***
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Once I've drawn out the tang enough, I round the last inch or so (to lessen the grinding needed to ready it for threading....)....

***forge tang round***
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Now I lop off my piece from the stock, again with the hardee. Now holding the tang in my tongs, work proceeds in spreading the blade, using crosspein and ballpein. In the end, I find the crosspein cumbersome, and do most of the work with the ballpein. Using a ball or crosspien to thin the steel works faster than using the main face, by concentrating the force and creating a succession of craters... A little care and shot placement allows the smith to create a diamond profile to the work, defining the eventual spine of this double edged blade....
 
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***forge blade out***
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Once I have a diamond sectioned blade blank forged out, I use the hardie to begin to define the point. I could have forged directly to this shape, but decided to try this way today...

***Hardie blade****
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more ballpein work finishes off the blade blank. When I'm satisfied, I anneal the blade for further work in the basement shop. Basically heat to red and allow to cool slowly. This will leave it soft enought to file and cut threads on the tang. I use a bench grinder to finalize the shape of the blade by grinding faux edges on. They're quite dull, about 90 degrees. They will also help me control things when I file the final profile on the blade.

***after bench grinder blank***

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With the basic blade shape defined, I clamp the tang in my bench vice, and attack the blade facets with a file. Double cut side for coarse work, single cut for finishing. Lifting the file for each return stroke seems at first to slow the work, but it more than pays for itself in improved cut quality and file life.

***file blade***

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This is the first time I tried to profile a blade with just hand tools. I was surprised by the ease and speed with which the work progressed. After a couple hours, the blade was satisfactory for this stage.

***mostly filed blade***
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At this point, it was time to choose a thread for the tang. In order to have a decent gaurd fit, it had to be no larger than the thickness of the blade at the guard. #12NC24 fit the bill, at about .22" blade thickness. Some careful time at the bench grinder reduced and rounded the end of the tang to the required size. I used a micrometer as a try-caliper. I ground a taper on the end to ease starting the die on this rather hard steel. Sorry, no photos of the threading opp....

***grinding tang threads****
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Next step is to make the tang a smooth square (angle wise) taper from the threads to the base of the blade. Some more hand file work. Ryan helps out a bit (he's been manning the camera and the forge blower most of the time!) The bench grinder helps out a bit here on the areas needing more attention...

***filing and grinding tang***

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And that completes the major work on the blade.
 
After some coffee, we head back out to the forge. Time to make some furnature for this knife.

The guard and butt are to be forged from antique wrought iron. The stock used to be a barrel hoop on a water tower somewhere in Maine... About 5/8" thick, round'n'rusty. We cold-straighten the stock before we begin. The butt is first.

***stock in fire***
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I want to be sure that the butt is large enough to accomodate a beefy handle. 5/8" ain't gonna cut it, so I start by upsetting the end of the stock. I cut it square with the angle grinder, and heat it to a bright yellow heat. I simply lift the stock a foot off the anvil face, and let it fall. If I keep the blows parallel to the stock, it simply thickens and shortens the heated area.

***upsetting the stock***
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With the stock thickened enough, I brace the cold end against my thigh and begin to forge a 4 sided pyramid on the end. A few heats have the piece finished.

***forge butt***
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***quench butt***
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Careful angle grinder work cuts the new butt free of the stock.

***finished butt***
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Time to forge the guard. Using the same wrought iron stock, this time we forge to a rectangular cross section. Wrought iron is strange to forge. This piece seems to be a bit "cold short" meaning the fibres in the stock tend to separate if I work them too cool. A bit gets cut off because of this.... We forge on.

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Now, some experimentation. The kids are down for naps, so using powertools in the basement is out. I need a hole in the guard. Since I have a helper, we hot-punch the hole. Cool punching a hole in 3/8" iron with just a hammer and punch.... Sorry, no pictures....

***divot, hole in guard stock***

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I use the completed blade's tang as a drift to size the hole close to where it needs to be. Satisfied, more or less (this guard looks AWFUL crude, but time is out and it is what it is), we cut the guard from the stock.

One last job remains before banking the forge for the day. Time to heat treat the blade.

The last few heats, we've been careful to build the charcoal bed up pretty well, so we have lots of fully involved, small pieces of charcoal. I lay the blade over the fire's sweetspot, and arrange some coal cover where needed, and some fresh charcoal in a few other spots, trying to provide as even a heat as possible, without burning the delicate tip or underheating the beefy blade base.... As the steel heats, I try it with a magnet probe. When the entire blade is evenly red and a shade hotter than non-magnetic, I quickly withdraw it and quench it in my tub of used motor oil.

***harden and quench***
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Then, after wiping off the scale, the blade goes back in the fire and a temper is drawn. The tang is blue, the base of the blade/tang transition is drawn to purple, and the bulk of the blade is full yellow to brown temper colour. The tip is tempered to purple. Hopefully, this will give us a very springy tang, that will neither break nor bend, and a blade tough enough for its task while still having decent edge retention.

***temper****
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The forge work on this one is done now.
 
Unfortunately, this is the end of the work that's well documented in photographs. My buddy Ryan hadta buzz back to the other side of the continent. Something about having a life....

So, here I am with a rat-tail tanged dagger blade, an ugly, crude iron guard that doesn't fit it (it only goes about 2/3rds of the way up the tang at this point), and a butt that doesn't thread on.... Alrighty then!

First, I mark the centre of the butt as best I can. Then chuck the appropriate drill into the press, and set the depth stop. A drop of oil, and the bit chews thru the wrought iron like soft lead. Nice. Then a bit more oil, and I run the tap thru till it bottoms out. Good. A test fit on the tang is successful. Nice smooth-running thread, and the hole was within 1mm of true center. Good enuf. I chuck a piece of #12NC24 threaded rod in the drill press, and true up the face of the butt with a file. Using a drillpress as a lathe is a favorite trick!

Next, fitting the guard. The guard blank is horrid. Thicker at one end than the other, crude and ugly. Bench grinder reduces the worst of it, and half an hour later, I'm filing a pretty nice little piece. Fitting it to the tang is tedious needle file work. Stroke, stroke, stroke, test fit.... Repeat ad-nauseum. Eventually, it fits well enough. A little sloppy, but I'll live with it.

Finally, I can get to the bit I started this for. A year ago, a friend in Arizona sent me a few pieces of Desert Ironwood (both burl and branch) he'd picked up on a desert walk near his home. I'd been saving the best burl for this project. I'd never worked desert ironwood before. I was in for a treat!

***Ironwood Burl***
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The burl was about 7x5x2.5" in bulk dimensions.... But much of it was unsound... And much I had to guess at. I hummed and hawwed over it for a while, and finally penciled some test-cut lines out. With a fine tooth blade in my bandsaw, I worked ironwood for the first time. It cut surprisingly well. Luckily, I'd guessed well, and was able to extract a good handle blank from the burl. I was left with a few other usable chunks for the future too.

Blank cut, I bored the tang-hole thru its centre. Used a 1/4" x 12" long bit in the drill press. Ironwood is a bitch to drill.... It cuts easily, but the bit cannot clear chips. I hammer the blank off the bit a couple times before its drilled thru. Close call. I then enlarge the hole with appropriate bits to clear the smaller 2/3rds of the tang. The blade end of the handle hole will be fitted by file and trial, to keep it as tight as I can manage. This goes easier than one might expect.

***bandsawing handle blank***
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Finally, I use the bandsaw to rough out the handle, leaving it about 1/8" larger in every dimension than final. I can now assemble the knife to get a feel for what I have...

***testfit handle***
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With pencil marks on the handle outlining the guard and butt as guides, I chuck a drum sander into the press and begin shaping. Let me tell ya something here: Desert Ironwood smells weird. Best I can come up with is a mixture of fresh horse manure and burnt peas. The dust is fine. I shoulda worn a mask. Instead, I blew brown boogers for 3 days. Sanding went from the drum to the orbital, with grits progressing from 100, 220, 320, 400, 600 and finally 1500. This stuff sands BEAUTIFULLY!!!!

Once the handle was shaped, I assembled the knife, and adjusted the lenght of the wood thou by thou until the butt clocked properly on its threads. The knife was now complete, minus sharpening. Sharpening has to wait until there's a sheath to keep the kids fingers off the sharp bits....

***pre-finished knife***
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....Which brings us to the end game.... A wooden sheath.

I've made a couple knives now with wooden sheaths. Done carefully, the result is durable and spectacular. If you managed to make the knife symmetrical, the sheath will even fit both ways.... People wonder how it's done. It's all to simple.

First, I had to do some finish work on the blade... Yeah, I said it was done, but we left it in a file finished condition from back before hardening and quenching. Finish work was just like the file work, but now the file is wrapped in wet/dry silicon carbide paper, used wet. 220, 320, 400 grit. Inspired by Mr. Davidson's 400 grit belt finished blades he's shown here lately, I tried to duplicate the effect by hand. Using tightly wrapped paper and being careful of the stroke angle, it looked pretty good. A few hammer marks stare thru the brushed-looking finish... They're "good" mistakes - ones I can live with. The blade is finally in its finished condition, less edges...

I had a piece of Desert Ironwood left of similar dimensions as the burl the handle was made from. THis piece is mostly light "straight" grained wood, with a swath of dark heartwood thru it. It's my only hope for an ironwood sheath, but there's a problem.... To make the sheath, I must rip the piece cleanly on my tablesaw in order to get as clean and accurate a glue joint as possible... But I won't rip a 7" long block on a TS! That would be stupid. Finally, I decided to glue the block to a suitable piece of 2x6. This make-shift jig worked well. I ripped 2 clean planks 12mm thick from the ironwood.

Laying the blade on the planks this way and that, I decide on what bit will make the sheath and give the best mix of soundness (desert ironwood is riddled with cracks and fissures and bugholes) and aesthetics (wanted to catch that dark streak!). I sketch the outline on the planks, stack them (matching them together as well as possible, in the interests of a clean glue joint), and cut both at once on the bandsaw.

Blanks cut, I trace the blade outline on their inside faces. I've left a margin of about 1/4" all around for the glue joint....

I chuck a drum sander into my dremel and begin to relieve inside the sheath. I test fit the blade frequently, and continue until the 2 halves clamped together will just let the blade squeek in, a nice friction fit. Brown boogers are a real problem now. Once I'm satisfied with the fit, I glue the sheath together, clamping firmly. Regular old cabinet maker's glue. Test fit blade.... Errors are difficult to fix after this...

Once dry, I shape the outside of the sheath with the drum sander on the drillpress, graduating to the orbital and finally hand sanding. Again, to 1500 grit.

Around this time, I find online that Desert Ironwood can be polished with a muslin wheel and white compound. I have the compound, and pick up a new wheel for the task. The results are NOT a disappointment! The wood is astounding in bright light!

The last step is to make a leather frog to carry the piece. I made a template from construction paper, and then cut and sewed, rivited and dyed, and finally wet formed the leather to the dagger and sheath, wrapped in saran wrap to protect the wood. The clasp is just a wooden stud, turned from a dowel, and rivited thru. Simple but effective. Stitching is by hand, 2 needles, artificial sinue.

Everything else done, I disassemble the knife, and sharpen the blade. I filed them damned near to edges with the primary grind, so it's quick work on the #800 waterstone. About 25-30 degree edges. Strop on the red-rouged leather strop, and both edges will shave if coaxed a bit... Which is enough for a dagger in my book. Finally, reassemble and here's the result:

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And that's how I do it. About 30 hours of work in this piece. Next one will be better, but this is the best knife I've made to date (even if it is ultimately unpractical...).

Hope you enjoyed this! I'd love to hear any comments you have, answer any questions, and hopefully a few of you can suggest ways to make my work better.... The gods know there's room for LOTS of improvement!

J
 
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I know absolutely nothing about making knives, and about as little about their use (pointy end goes in bad guy), but is screwing the butt cap on the tang best way to make a knife?
 
No, a full tang, with riveted scales would be better, stronger. This is, however, a traditional way, with the exception that the butt would normally be drilled thru, and the end of the tang peened over it like a rivet. The threaded method should be its equal, but is also dis-assemble-able.... This construction is not unusual.

J
 
Awesome write-up, I really enjoyed reading that. Your work is improving, too! I may have to bite the bullet one day and give it a shot myself. :)
 
Fantastic read.

Knew a guy in college who made a 2 foot broadsword out of a leafspring from a Chevy pickup. That should be your next project.
 
Thanks, Gents.....

otcconan, my forge is large enough to heat treat only up to about 10" blades, maybe 16" OAL..... I think most folks underestimate the care needed to achieve an even heat for hardening such a beastly chunk of steel. At that size, it's weight alone is plenty to bend the forged blade when it's hot.... And then you need an oil tub big enough....

My largest to date is a loose interpretation of a bollocks dagger I made 5 years ago, 10" blade, 16" OAL.... That was plenty big enough.

J
 
I has been a while since I have logged on the forum, but you never cease to amaze me with your artistic ability! Thanks for the pictures. It really helps out!
Take care.
Saki
 
7x57...

You need to upgrade. Do you realize the kind of market there is out there for Bowie knives? A high grade Bowie maker can pull in about $500 a knife. I think your skills are well in that range. Seriously...Bowie knife makers are pulling some serious dough. A 10" is on the small side for a Bowie, but maybe someone would be willing to go for an intermediate. You have the kind of skill that should not be wasted on home projects. I think you could make some money.
 
Thanks for taking the time to document the work - well written and VERY educational!
/Bryan
 
Now I know why I just order from Spyderco. That's a lot of work and I'm way too impatient.

Thanks for the post. It was a excellent read and most interesting.
 
nice work and good write-up.
if you've ever been around the older air-cooled VW's you may know that the rear torsion springs are flat, this provides good steel for blades. the early ones, pre-'69 are longer. the vans are the longest.
 
Thanks again, all.

otcconan, I like to keep my hobbies and my career separate.... I've ruined a few hobbies in the past by trying to make them into something more. I make fewer than a half dozen blades a year. Thanks for the compliment, though. I'd never pay what I'd need to charge to make one of my knives profitable anyway, and wouldn't ask anyone else to either.... I've never sold a knife.

Tim, wouldja believe I don't own any Spydercos? Making something gives a special sense of accomplishment and pride of ownership. Also, this knife cost me about $40 to make, including fuel. The work is fun, so I don't need to pay myself.... :)

Marlin, good to know! One thing a smith learns quickly is that we live in a golden time. Finding stock for making knives is rarely a challenge.... I've used predominantly harrow springs, passenger car leaf springs (ford galaxy, if you must know) and coil springs (toyota corolla).... and for small work, 1/4" piano wire is great stuff.... I have yet to exhaust a single car's worth of springs - there's ALOT of steel in there!

That said, there are a few VW restorers around here.... And most auto springs are actually heavier than I need.... I may look into this!

J
 
Your forge set up is a mirror image of mine, only I think that we have a little more snow. Great work on the pics and a "high atta-boy" on the knife/sheath! Keep em' coming!:)
 
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