How long do we really think it will take for a BAN ?

[SSN Vet]

I have long felt that the country will face a great divide at some point. The ideologies of the two sides are too different to co-exist under one government, and I'm afraid to say that this just may be the tipping point.

my thoughts exactly....

Obama should be trying pro-actively to gain our favor. He should be courting the 2nd Amendment vote. What does he have to lose? The Brady people? Are they really more important to him voting-wise than people like US?

I think the entire "government control is the answer to all the worlds problems" mentality is at the core of the liberal Dems soul.

And after 8 years of non-stop blaming Bush for everything from 9/11 to Bird Flue to the melt down of the housing market, the media has bent the minds of the masses....

Don't bother to ask what branch of government has regulatory authority (and responsibility) over the Fed. Reserve, SCC etc... and what party has ruled that branch of Gov't for the last 2 years.

Don't bother to ask under what Democratic president the banking industry was coerced (yes, coerced) into making high risk loans in areas that they historically never touched...all in the name of diversity.

This election was the biggest "dupe" job in the history of the nation.

Unfortunately, we've become a nation of self centered, hedonistic idiots, that will believe anything CNN sayse, so long as they say it 1,000 times over.

Critical thinking is dead in this country. We "need" Obama to tell us how to think.

 

[Clipper]

When I took down my McCain-Palen yard sign, I put it away so next year I can add a 'I told you so' tag to it and put it back out...

 

[mljdeckard]

+1000 Old Fuff. Word for word.

 

[expvideo]

this is all I have to say about a gun ban

 

[Sharps-shooter]

I'm not betting any money on it yet, but I don't think it will happen. It wasn't a really popular measure at the time, in 1994. I know SO MANY people, many of them liberal in the extreme, who own guns now that didn't have them or want them back then.

In 1994, people felt more secure, both financially and millitarily, than they do now. When times are uncertain, guns start looking better and better to people. When people are lulled into a false sense of security, they may feel like guns are an outdated thing, something we don't need anymore.

It's going to take even the best swindlers-- and we have some of them working for us in washington-- quite some time to lull americans into a false sense of security. And if they throw their hand in too soon, try to propose a ban right now, for instance, then it will be too unpopular. I think they realize this.

 

[Anteater1717]

I guessing tomorrow BUY,BUY,BUY!!!

 

[browningguy]

Having thought about it a lot, I'm guessing 6-12 months, that's only if there is no new Columbine or something similar. They already have it written, bribe 5-6 republican's and you have a filibuster proof majority.

Anyone that thinks Obama and Pelosi are taking a middle ground approach to government just isn't paying attention to history. Never believe what anyone says, believe what they do.

 

[Limeyfellow]

I doubt it will come anytime soon. There are far more pressing issues on the agenda and not anywhere near the support for a ban like last time. It would be killed in committee long before getting any popular support.

 

[sherman123]

one year

I wouldn't bet on it either but if I had to guess I'd say a year or less especially after those two neo nazis were arrested for the Obama assasination plot. And btw expvideo what does your tatto mean?

 

[22-rimfire]

No more than 100 days.

There are far more pressing issues on the agenda and not anywhere near the support for a ban like last time. It would be killed in committee long before getting any popular support.

Congress always finds time for the unimportant stuff (from their perspective). I won't be killed. It will pass both the House and Senate. O will sign it in a heartbeat. He'll probably have the press their to record the moment.

On the important stuff, he'll be lost.

 

[BHP FAN]

''Anyone that thinks Obama and Pelosi are taking a middle ground approach to government just isn't paying attention to history. Never believe what anyone says, believe what they do...''

+1 on that.I don't think there IS a quick fix for the economy,and the new administration is going to be looking around for a ''feel good'' piece of legislation that will make them look decisive.The next Columbine or Virginia Tech will ''force'' the new administration to''take action'' [now never mind that if students a VT or teachers at Columbine had CCW,they might never have happened] on the ''gun violence issue''.As for when there's no way to predict that.I'd guess the next time some Doctor figures a violent offender is ''cured'',and they kick him loose.Then,ever so relunctly,we'll see a new AWB,and this time [mark my words,and gird your loins] there won't be a grandfather clause.Remember,ya heard it here,first.

 

[MIL-DOT]

(quote) "Remember,ya heard it here,first".

Nope, I've been a "lone voice in the wilderness" on this subject a lot longer that you, sonny !!!
But seriously, everything you said is, unfortunately, spot on. We in for some trouble.

 

[I LIKE IT!]

I wonder just how hard the Republicans will fight another AWB.

We have Heller on our side and the NRA but agian I wonder if that is enough.

Oh and as to no grandfather clause, that's a two-bladed sword the dims don't have the balls to touch, but if they some how did it would be "the end" for them.

We can reach them just as easily as they can reach us, agian they aren't THAT stupid.

We shall see.

 

[tpaw]

This of course was before the Heller case where the Supreme Court decided that:

1. The American people have a constitutional right to own firearms.

2. That the Washington DC ban on handgun ownership was unconstitutional.

Could a future court change that? Sure. But doing so would take years - much longer then the current president-elect is likely to remain in office.

Some of those old farts are due to retire and probably will when Obama takes the oath. That will open seats for Obama's liberal judges. Hence, we are done.

 

[wyocarp]

After all, Obama needs votes for reelection in 4 years. He won't get them by pissing off 60 million American gun owners.

He got elected with the current gun owners. And I'm figuring that many of those gun owners aren't willing to die for their right.

 

[wyocarp]

We should start fighting this by getting the mods on here to let us talk about politics and how it affects gun rights and ownership.

 

[tpaw]

We should start fighting this by getting the mods on here to let us talk about politics and how it affects gun rights and ownership.

Without "preconditions" !......

 

[X-Rap]

You hear folks talk about Heller like it was kryptonite or something.
I have said before if we worry warts are wrong then we will look silly, if these Philidelphia Lawyers and all their PC platitudes are wrong then Rome is on fire and nobody will give a about saying I told you so.
After reading posts here for the last couple weeks it is clear that there are some who believe that we as a country are not at risk and neither is the RKBA and there are others who recognize the clear danger we face.
I guess I fall with the later and quailify for the tin foil hat.

 

[Ignition Override]

Sure, our present liberties are at risk. There is no doubt.
Not to play the devil's advocate, but will it look good in the eyes of the present and soon-to-be unemployed or people who will default on their homes, if the Senate spends even limited time on this garbage? Politicians always factor in pros and cons.

It cost Clinton and Gore huge numbers of votes. Obama has read about various issues and realizes that many of the citizens are informed and organized.

I'm sort of new at this and am not contradicting what is really possible, stated by you guys/gals, but politically "O" wants/needs people to get back to work (including the millions still to get laid-off...) and wants to be in the White House more than one term. Maybe this is an assumption on my part.
Getting the economic decline to bottom-out, leading to better times, will get him re-elected.
Having millions of gun owners against him imperils his future chances even more if the recession is long and deep, i.e. it could last most of his (only?) term in office. How long will "O's" 'honeymoon last? Just read what foreign leaders expect of him, and quickly...he will be saturated. The less Congress can even think about enacting just part of what we dread, the worse it is, which could be millions more jobs lost, and this is just in the US. Kind of ironic? Good and bad. On THR etc, we only discuss one or two issues, and these won't get people back to work. But maybe I'm wrong.

On a minor note, I refuse to pay ammo prices which have jumped anywhere near 25% in two weeks. Other folks can buy my extra share (cheap?) and stack it deeper.
Our next president did not get so popular overnight, in stark contrast to 7.62x39 'loan shark' type profits (just say 'no'). There were months of 'annunciator (caution) lights', even before the financial systems' domino effect went full speed. This isn't just in the US-it is global, and many are looking to us for a solution. Why else would the Euro lose so much to the dollar so soon? Also, if there is an attack on Iran by the Israeli Air Force in the near future which spikes the price of fuel, people will partly blame "O's" policies.

A diet high in carbines and other sugars make you more flexible, both in doorways and under tree limbs: Minis, MN 44s, SKS.
Let's go out a bit on the better dryer days, enjoy our guns (only 3 rds. max, each time in a high-cap. mag last much longer) and have some fun!

 

[Caeser2001]

I wonder if he'd feed us the same political bull**** he does the media or whether he'd have a straight conversation with us.

he would definitely answer with his political b.s. a quick I support the second amendment and then into is long rambling of crap.

I think the better way and logical way(and true reason anyways) to attack this is to go after the plea bargaining, short prison sentences etc. nationwide 3 strike rule for violent felons, revamp the prison system.

 

[Caeser2001]

I see it happening but not right away, unless another vt or columbine happens, then I could see it almost immediately. And the "media" will turn every elected official who doesn't support the bill into the bad guy, most of the public bought into his "change", anti Bush, blah, blah, tax credit, blah, blah, evil Oil Co's (even though the gov't makes more money on oil than the oil co's do) blah, blah, McSame, blah, I almost forgot HOPE.

on a side note what is this "hope" crap I keep hearing people talk about? "Obama has inspired me to hope for a better America" I hope to win the lottery when I play but hope still doesn't pay the bills.

 

[Blakenzy]

First term: almost no chance of a new AWB or other significant bill being brought up. As it is, he already has way too much on his plate to deal with, and lumping a controversial and divisive topic on top of all that really doesn't make sense, not if he wants to retain power and score a second term.

As for his Second Term (and you betcha he's sure to win it if the GOP doesn't come up with some super candidate- Palin just ain't gonna to cut it): If a blow to gun ownership is ever going to happen it'll happen here.

So, RKBA is relatively safe for at least a few more years...

 

[KBintheSLC]

Are you getting the picture?

But technically our individual rights will still be intact, untouched and never challenged before the Supreme Court,

-Ants...

Maybe we are looking at the wrong rights to defend. We are all so wrapped up in preserving the RKBA that we forgot that we are supposed to be exempt from "taxation without representation". Maybe thats the next thing we will have to sue them for in Supreme Court. If we can tie frivolous taxes to a violation of fundamental rights, we may be able to fend them off on an entirely new front.