How many here agree with the Patriot Act?

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Among the other numerous intrusions into your privacy authorities can search your home, take personal property including guns, and then not tell you there was a search warrant for 30 days.

I vote NAY on the Patriot Act.
 
ANYONE who actively partakes in any dealings of the patriot act is breaking their oath they took to up hold the constitution as well as a traitor to their own country. They do it because it puts warm puddin in their tummies and they do it because it's too hard to take the high road......

Submitting and being on the gravy train is easy....

I really *would* like to see how many will actively admit to selling out.

James Madison would be proud.

:uhoh:
 
Negative, no PATRIOT act support here. Though I must say, who ever came up with the name was a marketing genius.
"What?! You don't support the PATRIOT ACT?! You must hate America!"
 
I do. I do. It's the thin line protecting this nation from terrorists. President Bush - the greatest leader of our time - told us that "Our law enforcement needs this vital legislation to protect our citizens--you need to renew the Patriot Act." 1/20/04. Then in 04/04 in a speech to strengthen the law (?) he said ""Congress must act with the Patriot Act. We must continue to stay on the offense when it comes to chasing these killers down and bring them to justice." Then again in 6/04 he said about the 16 provisions that were set to expire that they are "practical, important and ... constitutional." "The Patriot Act has accomplished exactly what it was designed to do: it has protected American liberty and saved American lives."


Are you going to tell me you don't believe the President? You don't want to chase down these killers that walk amonst us? You don't want to save American lives and liberty? Are you un-American?

That bit about saving liberty is a keeper, reminds me of ""It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."
 
>>>"What?! You don't support the PATRIOT ACT?! You must hate America!"<<<

Can I give you more than +1 on that?

That wonderful little Viet Dinh hasen't a clue on what makes America, America.

Every time I've seen him interviewed he begins to studder and falter if he's asked a serious question regarding his views if something oversteps the bounds of the Constitution.

This wasen't written just for 9/11, this was written WELL WELL in advance and they / he / them were just looking for the precise time to implement it.

:barf:
 
Ah, rick_reno, I have to admit, occasionally I find your use of irony quite amusing.

The Patriot Act is useless and many of its provisions are, indeed, a threat to our civil liberties. Before it became law, the government already had more than enough law on its side to fight whatever terrorist threat might arise.
 
Anyone realize how many people would likely be out of a job if the Patriot Act wasen't around?


I don't. What do you mean?
 
"Anyone realize how many people would likely be out of a job if the Patriot Act wasen't around?"

Think about how many people would be out of a job if BATF wasn't around. :rolleyes:
 
Patriot Act my arse...

More like the ANTI-Patriot act...Any legislation that has to be named after a person, or ideal, in order to make an attempt at legitimacy is morally bankrupt and not worth the parchment it is printed on:cuss: ...

It's the lates trend in politics. Garner support from the American Sheeple by naming a piece of legislation after a,"high profile case". Allowing the dumbest of people that have not read a word of it to automatically associate it with an act they(or usually anybody) don't want to happen again. You get opinions of the law based off name recognition and not content of the legislation:(.

Jessica's law, Patriot Act,Assault weapons Ban, etc, etc. I am surprised we didn't get a new law out of the D.C. Killer's escapade...


Patriot Act:uhoh: :( :cuss:
 
Logistics said:
>>>" This wasen't written just for 9/11, this was written WELL WELL in advance and they / he / them were just looking for the precise time to implement it.:barf:
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Could you give a link(s) to your source for this enlightening insider information? I'd like to check 'em out for myself.
 
There was no Patriot Act when the feds ran CoIntelPro.
There was no Patriot Act when the feds made the place
names Ruby Ridge and Waco synonyms for WTH.

The Patriot Act sometimes sounds to me that 1) the feds
need a court order now to do what they were doing on the sly
and 2) agencies are not withholding information from each other.

Has anyone actually been impacted by the PatAct on a personal level?
I have heard of no one myself. Except people who fret about it.

Personally, 95% of the United States Code of Laws could be
dumped in a wood chipper and fed to the hogs without hurting
us, and reasonable law enforcement policy could be implemented
by regulation under existing constitutional law.

The worst thing I can say about the Patriot Act is that it
is the product of a federal centralization that gave us the
non-performance of FEMA during and after Katrina. Not that
it can do anything harmful, but that it is incapable of doing
much helpful and is therefore a waste of the paper it
was printed on.

Bad law enforcement does not need a Patriot Act to do bad.
Good law enforcement does not need a Patriot Act to do good.
But politicians feel they must DO SOMETHING even if its wrong.

The Patriot Act is not as stupid as telling me a green Rumanian
AK grip is OK but a red Chinese AK grip is a felony. There are
stupider and more dangerous laws on the books than the PatAct.
The gun laws can make you a felon just by changing a definition
without you having to do anything but possess something that
was legal when you bought it. That I do worry about, because I
know people who have been affected. So far all I have heard
about the PatAct is 1984 rhetoric.
 
Is there a site or publication that breaks down what the Patriot Act authorizes and why it is bad?

I have a negative impression of the Patriot Act and generally am happy when it hits roadblocks and setbacks. But I don't know why other than the rhetoric that gets spewed here and other places I frequent. :eek:
 
Jessica's law, Patriot Act,Assault weapons Ban, etc, etc. I am surprised we didn't get a new law out of the D.C. Killer's escapade...
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You forgot my personal favorite "The Firearms Owners Protection Act", or FOPA. It PROTECTS us.
 
Don't know if you can tell from my other posts about the Patriot (ugh) Act, but I'm in the "against" camp.

It doesn't have to impact me for me to think it's wrong.

Tom
 
The "Patriot" act is one of tyhe worse things thats happened in this administration.

Patriot, maybe, in the way the british governement during the revolution wouldve liked.
 
Since I do not do things to piss off the federal goverment the Patriot Act will have no effect on me. If they want to look at my library card records they can go right ahead do so. I still believe that catching slimy terrorists in our country is important enough to do what we can.


I am totally SERIOUS
 
You mean that thing that's a blatant, frontal assault on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

THAT Patriot Act?

Lemme think ................ nope. Can't get down with that one.
 
Hawkmoon said:
You mean that thing that's a blatant, frontal assault on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

THAT Patriot Act?

Lemme think ................ nope. Can't get down with that one.
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Agree 100%

To me, something called the "Patriot Act" would issue every law abiding citizen an M4 and some ammo.
 
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