gahunter12
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I voted No because I think Federal's quality control is probably better than mine.
I carry Federal HST which I think they use better QC for there LEO ammo, but Federal DOES NOT have better QC than I do.
I voted No because I think Federal's quality control is probably better than mine.
Nothing wrong with this as this is a free public forum.TennJed said:I posted this here because I wanted to get a measure of people who reload.
Justified shooting is justified shooting whether factory ammunition or reloadeds were used. If I was reloading 200 gr lead SWC target loads for my 1911 range toy and a group of gang bangers kicked the backdoor down, I may not have time to get to my Glocks with factory JHP ammunition on the other side of the house and I won't hesitate to defend my life and lives of my family with reloads.I don't really want to rehash the legal should or shouldn't, we have all read that
We all make choices in life. Some by preference and some by economics - we may all live/die by the choices we make in life.I just can't stomach paying for store bought ammo when I can reload so much cheaper
If I was hunting/camping in the woods with known wild animal threat with thicker hides, I would carry reloads pushing lead 180-200 gr TCFP/SWC at 1200+ fps out of Glock 20 using KKM/Lone Wolf barrel. I would not use FMJ or JHP bullets whether factory or reloads as they may not perform as well to penetrate through thicker hide to hit vital organ areas. Of course, if two legged animals with thin hides posed threat to my life, I would not hesitate to use the lead reloads.I know some of you may carry both, depending on certain factors.
Yup, don't pay full retail for factory ammunition. Why pay more than you have to? I usually get my factory JHP ammunition around 60-70 cents a round from SGAmmo - http://sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunitionNWcityguy2 said:The best place to buy SD ammo is online from people who sell the 50 round LE only boxes.
LE only box of 124gr Gold Dots: 60 cents a round ... Civilian box on 124gr Gold Dots: $1.14 cents a round.
Almost double the price for the same bullet.
Only an idiot for a lawyer would allow his client to be placed on the stand to answer questions like that.As you sit on the witness stand...
Attorney: are you a qualified ballistician or forensic expert?
You: no, I'm not.
Attorney: so you tested these rounds with a proper pressure tester like all the major manufacturers are required?
You: uh, no.
Attorney: so u know the exact pressure and velocity and penetration of the cartridges you loaded?
You: well not exactly. The Speer Manuel said they were in SAAMI spec.
Attorney: yet, you did not test them in a laboratory controlled environment?
You: no, I did not.
Attorney: so u loaded extremely lethal killer bullets?
You: no of course not!
Attorney: where is your laboratory research and development documents to deny you did not load extremely lethal bullets.?
You: again, I don't have them.
Attorney: so Mr Smith you made your own extremely lethal ammo? Why?
You: it's not extremely lethal.
Attorney: it's clear you do not have any research or scientifically approved tests to prove this?
You: no I do not.
Attorney: why didn't you just buy factory ammo? The firearms and ammo industry is so vast. Do you think you have greater knowledge than the ammo experts at Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Nosler or other numerous ammo experts?what training do you have to qualify you to make better ammo than these multi million dollar companies?
You: I don't.
This is just an example of the questions you will be asked on the stand if you use your reloads in a SD or HD scenario in court.
In other words: DO NOT USE RELOADS..!
That's a poor excuse but ultimately it's your poor excuse. Just don't forget you are accountable for every bullet you fire. You won't find any defenses to prosecution if a stray bullet hits an innocent after it passes through a bad guy.
As you sit on the witness stand...
Attorney: are you a qualified ballistician or forensic expert?
You: no, I'm not.
Attorney: so you tested these rounds with a proper pressure tester like all the major manufacturers are required?
You: uh, no.
Attorney: so u know the exact pressure and velocity and penetration of the cartridges you loaded?
You: well not exactly. The Speer Manuel said they were in SAAMI spec.
Attorney: yet, you did not test them in a laboratory controlled environment?
You: no, I did not.
Attorney: so u loaded extremely lethal killer bullets?
You: no of course not!
Attorney: where is your laboratory research and development documents to deny you did not load extremely lethal bullets.?
You: again, I don't have them.
Attorney: so Mr Smith you made your own extremely lethal ammo? Why?
You: it's not extremely lethal.
Attorney: it's clear you do not have any research or scientifically approved tests to prove this?
You: no I do not.
Attorney: why didn't you just buy factory ammo? The firearms and ammo industry is so vast. Do you think you have greater knowledge than the ammo experts at Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Nosler or other numerous ammo experts?what training do you have to qualify you to make better ammo than these multi million dollar companies?
You: I don't.
This is just an example of the questions you will be asked on the stand if you use your reloads in a SD or HD scenario in court.
In other words: DO NOT USE RELOADS..!
It is probalby a false need onmy part that is rooted in shooting paper targets for so many years. I probably put too much emphisis on hitting a black circleI don't understand the need to practice with carry ammo.
I test my carry ammo for function and accuracy then taylor a load that shoots same weight bullet to the same velocity and piont of impact for practice.
????????????It is probalby a false need onmy part that is rooted in shooting paper targets for so many years. I probably put too much emphisis on hitting a black circle
mavracer said:My guns will put factory ammo in the same little black circle that my reloads go in.
Total crap. Yes, I am a lawyer, obviously you are not. Obviously. I carry Hornady Critical Duty +p, AND MY OWN HANDLOADS USING THE SAME HORNADY BULLETS AND GOLD DOTS.As you sit on the witness stand...
Attorney: are you a qualified ballistician or forensic expert?
You: no, I'm not.
Attorney: so you tested these rounds with a proper pressure tester like all the major manufacturers are required?
You: uh, no.
Attorney: so u know the exact pressure and velocity and penetration of the cartridges you loaded?
You: well not exactly. The Speer Manuel said they were in SAAMI spec.
Attorney: yet, you did not test them in a laboratory controlled environment?
You: no, I did not.
Attorney: so u loaded extremely lethal killer bullets?
You: no of course not!
Attorney: where is your laboratory research and development documents to deny you did not load extremely lethal bullets.?
You: again, I don't have them.
Attorney: so Mr Smith you made your own extremely lethal ammo? Why?
You: it's not extremely lethal.
Attorney: it's clear you do not have any research or scientifically approved tests to prove this?
You: no I do not.
Attorney: why didn't you just buy factory ammo? The firearms and ammo industry is so vast. Do you think you have greater knowledge than the ammo experts at Hornady, Remington, Winchester, Nosler or other numerous ammo experts?what training do you have to qualify you to make better ammo than these multi million dollar companies?
You: I don't.
This is just an example of the questions you will be asked on the stand if you use your reloads in a SD or HD scenario in court.
In other words: DO NOT USE RELOADS..!
Why would you even take the stand in the first place? That's a great way to get strung up real quick. Also there's quite a few real quick sustainable objections in there