How many rounds through a WWII M1 before the barrel gets replaced

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Does anyone know approx how many rounds would it take to sufficently take to wear a Garand Original barrel (WWII production) to the point where that branch of military would rebarrel the rifle? Were Post War barrels any better or worse than the ones in production during the war? I guess my question is what is the estimated round count it would take to shoot out an M1 barrel?
 
Assuming proper cleaning methods, about 5K rounds and it will be worn enough that accuracy will be poor. WWII barrels were just as good as todays barrels, but remember that the Garand is a battle rifle, and was built as such in war time. Better match grade barrels can be had today. HTH
 
I would tend to go with the 5K figure as well, although it could go higher with very careful use and cleaning, minimal rapid fire, etc.

Stateside I would venture to say that more barrels lost accuracy through poor cleaning techniques--wallowing out the rifling at the muzzle end by chousing jointed rods back and forth 100 times.

Corrosive ammo wouldn't help much if cleaning were delayed or hastily done, either.

Whatever the cause you see very few Garands with original barrels. Seems like about 95% of them were rebarrelled at least once in their lifetime. I have rebarrelled two of mine and have a couple more to go as it is.
 
Zullo is correct about average barrel life. More likely issue barrels were worn out by excessive cleaning rod rubbing at the muzzle than by shooting.

Barrel steels are varible so barrel life is varible. Some match barrels shoot great up to 7000 rounds, others crap out around 3500. The average is around 5000.

If you want to measure the wear on your barrel you will need a throat gage, muzzle gage, and if you are really well heeled, an air gage.

Just go out and shoot the thing. And make sure that everything is mechanically tight. Like the gas cylinder, front and rear sights.
 
For every 1000 rounds fired, your throat erosion will increase by a full number.

It is commonly thought that accuracy will decrease with a TE reading of 5+ but there are others that dispute that.

Muzzle erosion is thought by some to be a far better indicator of accuracy potential.
 
And if hard chromed, one can nearly double the amount expected versus bare steel.

thedave1164 is right. The "barrel" usually is fine. What usually goes, is the throat. Depending on may variables, it may go earlier, or later. I have heard as low as 3,000 and higher than 5,000. I think much depends on what degree of accuracy you demand.
 
~10,000 rounds or so before the barrel is replaced.

Barrels were replaced when the TE reading exceded "10". Just be cause you have a high TE doens't mean the rifle is inaccurate. Had a friend who shot an M1A all the time. Still shot High Power with and it was accurate...I dropped my gage in it and it read "9". He had it rebarreled just because it was "close" to being worn. Even though the rifle would shoot better than "most" people.

Don't worry about it unless you shoot "seriously" in competition.
 
I worked as a Small Arms Repairman, 45B MOS, while I was in service.
I believe all the numbers posted are accurate.
The only weapons that were maintained with logs designating the actual number of rounds fired through the weapons were Match rifles and handguns and Sniper systems and these weapons did not have a set standard of rounds fired before replacement.

The Serviceman issued one of these weapons could have it rebarrelled at any time he determined that the weapon was not shooting to his standard.
I know some of these guys had their weapons rebarrelled every 1000 to 3000 rounds.

Service weapons are turned in for rebuild when the unit armorer determines the weapon is in need of higher echelon repair.
Throat erosion, bore wear, and muzzle condition all determine whether a weapons qualifies for turn in, not the actual number of rounds fired.

I do know that training weapons have a far greater number of rounds fired through them before turn in than do weapons used in actual combat and this is generally because training weapons are better maintained and cleaned with a regularity that borders on religeous fervor.
M16A1 rifles were turned in far less frequently because of excessive barrel wear than M14 rifles and I know this has to do with the fact an M16 can be cleaned from the breech and an M14 or M1 Garand must be cleaned from the muzzle when using service issue jointed cleaning rods.

Most personnel did not use the muzzle protection ring issued with the jointed rods, most were never instructed how to use the protection ring properly and figured it was something they didn't need and pitched it.
Consequently I saw far more M14 barrels with excessivly worn muzzles than out and out bad barrel bores or excessive throat wear.

Chrome lining the barrel bores and chambers oif M14 and M16 rifles definately played a big part in this reduced wear as compared to an unlined M1 Garand barrel.
A normal non-chrome lined M1 Garand barrel, be it wartime or post war will exhibit about one caliber on a throat guage for every 1000 to 1500 rounds fired.
Muzzle wear does not come from firing but from improper cleaning procedures and mishandling.
The use of a rifle as a pike does the muzzle of the weapon no good.
Bayonets should have been eliminated with the obsolescence of the smoothbore muzzleloading musket in my opinion.

Based on what I saw and worked on in service and assuming your question pertains to a personally owned M1 rifle that will be shot for pleasure or competition and properly cleaned and maintained and assuming a barrel that reads about 3 on the throat guage and has a tight muzzle and you do not plan to regularly clean the rifle with a military issue jointed cleaning rod,,,
I will venture to say your barrel has a good 3000-4000 rounds of accurate service life and another 3000-4000 rounds of servicable life with a reduction in group accuracy overall.
In other words, 6000 to 8000 rounds, which is way more than most people will fire through one weapon in a lifetime of shooting. HTH
 
The Army certainly DID do extensive testing of the M1 and (going from memory here) they declared the life expectancy to be around 10K.

A new rifle was fired for group in a machine rest. Accuracy actually improved for the first 1-2K. Leveled out for the next several K, then gradually decreased until it was back to shooting like 'new' at 10K.

Of course, the throat was gone for close to two inches by 10K....but they were looking at the results on the target. And, they were cleaning regularly and NOT damaging the crown whilst doing so.
 
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