How the 4 rules saved my skin-- OR-- How my Rock Island tried to kill my car! (AD)

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Ah, you guys are most likely correct then, I didn't realize that. I learned about not letting the slide hit on a round like that, I guess no-one ever told me, and I'd seen people do it before.

Suffice to say, thats my last time!
 
Admission: I did not read all the posts.

"Sounds like a ND to me."

I had some trouble with my Rock Island because of the hammer following the slide and some double-taps on this account.

On disassembly, I found some burrs on the disconnector right at the parting line which occurs with investment-cast or MMC(?) production. These burrs interfered with proper action of the disconnector.

I polished off these burrs and slipstoned some other sliding surfaces and had no trouble henceforth.

If I may editorialize for a moment, I have a lot of trouble with folks who crow that every unintended discharge must be a Negligent Discharge.
 
I had the same thing happen to me with my RIA last year. I was at home and I usually change out my mags on a weekly basis and I had just put a fresh mag in the gun and released the slide lock and the gun discharged just missing the cats and putting a big hole in the wifes cedar chest. I got rid of it ASAP.
 
Well I would agree that you shouldn't have to 'smith up a new gun, but after I performed the "slickifying" mentioned above (Post 27), I am very pleased with it.
 
I had the same thing happen to me with my RIA last year. [SNIP] I got rid of it ASAP.
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I understand how that experience would make you nervous about continuing to posses and use the firearm and why you would want to get your money out of it. However, if you sell it or trade it away without fixing it you are passing the problem on to someone else. If the new owner does not have notice of the problem, that person may not be as lucky as you...
 
The left round is a brand new one, the center is the one that got over-seated, and the right is a snap-cap I have. I spot checked the height of a few of the other rounds from the same box, and here are the heights:
New: 3.22cm +/- .03cm
Snap cap:3.02cm
Depressed round:2.90 cm

as you can see, it depressed more than 30 mm!

All in all, the damage was minor. It is a hole in the console of a car I care very little about, no damage other than the plastic that broke out, and the magazine, and a single round. It definitely could have been worse! I went to a gunsmith here (beavercreek amory) and the guy told me to just send it back to Rock Island.



Probably ment 3mm.

ms
 
walkalong said:
Yes, the gun needs fixing, but never slam a slide home on an empty chamber, and never slam a slide home on a round.
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Erm. Those are the only two options. Are you actually suggesting never dropping the slide, no matter what? That seems... impractical.
 
"Sounds like a ND to me."
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If I may editorialize for a moment, I have a lot of trouble with folks who crow that every unintended discharge must be a Negligent Discharge.
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Strawman. No one has done that in this thread.

I have stated that this specific event sounds like an ND to me.

And it most certainly is. I don't think anyone can really refute that contention. Especially, if one reads the OP's details in Posts 1, 3, 7, 9 and 26.

Definitely negligence in his handling of the weapon....

Therefore, an ND.

He's lucky he didn't get arrested.
 
"...the gun discharged just missing the cats and putting a big hole in the wifes cedar chest. I got rid of it ASAP."


Normally I am of the opinion that if you can't trust it to work how and when it is needed, then you should get rid of it. However in your case, it almost took out one or more of the cats. Maybe you have given it a second chance.

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Strawman. No one has done that in this thread.

I have stated that this specific event sounds like an ND to me.

And it most certainly is. I don't think anyone can really refute that contention. Especially, if one reads the OP's details in Posts 1, 3, 7, 9 and 26.

Definitely negligence in his handling of the weapon....

Therefore, an ND.

He's lucky he didn't get arrested.
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FCFC: In which way do you believe I mishandled the weapon? It was pointed in a safe direction, with the finger off the trigger. Out of all the people I mentioned this to, you are the only one who sees any negligence. Please, tell me, what makes you think this is an ND?

This seems like a clear-cut case of an AD, where the firearm fired in a condition where it wasn't supposed to.
 
Well people like to make bad mouth Series 80 type firing systems on 1911's, but colt came up with the idea for a reason.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a knock-off 1911 for self defense. You might as well be carrying a Hi-Point or a Jennings.


Glad to hear that the only casulty in this mishap was the plastic console.
 
Many do carry the 1911 without issue.

However, if I could find a holster as nice as the one I have for my 1911, that would fit my CZ-75B, I'd most likely get it, and just carry that. I prefer the CZ anyway, because if I ever get into trouble, I'm going to want as many rounds as I can carry ;)
 
If I may editorialize for a moment, I have a lot of trouble with folks who crow that every unintended discharge must be a Negligent Discharge.
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As do I. There are some, in fact, that think there is no such thing as an AD, and prefer to call them weapon malfunctions or some such. You won't get anywhere with them.
 
Um, you shot your vehicle. And your mag.
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Consider how much medical bills would be if that round/ricochet had hit him. He could buy a new car, gun, and magazine and it would still be cheaper than the medical bill, not to mention the chance of death or permanent injury.

@ the OP
You did a good job. Gun was pointed in a safe direction and you didn't get hurt. PS I'd leave the bullet hole if it was my car :D
 
@ the OP
You did a good job. Gun was pointed in a safe direction and you didn't get hurt. PS I'd leave the bullet hole if it was my car
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Yep, the bullet hole is staying there. I am also going to keep the damaged round and the magazine as a reminder of the 4 rules. I figure its a cheap reminder any way.
 
( First time post, long time reader....had to chime in on this one )


I also have the RIA 1911, and funny thing, I also shot my vehicle.

Exact same situation, except I was shooting at my place and standing in the open drivers door of my F-350.
Was packing up and found a round on the ground, dusted it off, dropped it in the pipe, pointed it in safe direction, well not safe for my front seat, and clicked the slide home.

Bang, cuss, cuss... Found bullet under front seat after it had bounced off the control arm to move the seat.

It now is glued to the top of my gun safe and every time I touch a weapon I remember. It doesn't matter to me now, if it was an Accidental Discharge or Negligent discharge, and I am a better shooter/carrier for it

I never have carried the 1911.....never will. Matter of fact the RIA doesn't get out that much any more.

Thanks for sharing, I guess I'm not the only one.


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seecamphan
 
Just for clarification, what does 'dropping the slide on a chambered round' mean? How do you do it? (learning what not to do here).
 
"I had the same thing happen to me with my RIA last year. I was at home and I usually change out my mags on a weekly basis and I had just put a fresh mag in the gun and released the slide lock and the gun discharged just missing the cats and putting a big hole in the wifes cedar chest. I got rid of it ASAP."
I guess Keaner bought yours...
 
Hmm... it sounds like this is a manufacturing defect. There is NO way that 3 other people have had the same problem as me, and no-one with another 1911 has chimed in, since I doubt the RIA accounts for a majority of 1911s.

I'm sending the RIA back during lunch today to them, to see if they can deal with it.
 
My RIA 1911a1 does something similar. If there is not mag in it, the hammer will drop if the slide is allowed to slam shut. It will not drop if the slide is racked slowly.

If I have a mag in the weapon, the hammer will not drop when the slide is allowed to slam home.

I always load it by letting it chamber a round from the mag.

I have never had a ND.
 
And it most certainly is. I don't think anyone can really refute that contention. Especially, if one reads the OP's details in Posts 1, 3, 7, 9 and 26.
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I respectfully disagree. Assuming the OP's finger did not make contact with the trigger (knowingly or unknowingly) during this process, this particular situation was directly caused by a malfunction of the firearm.
 
My RIA 1911a1 does something similar. If there is not mag in it, the hammer will drop if the slide is allowed to slam shut.
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While dropping the slide on an empty chamber is not recommended, no way should the hammer ever fall when doing so. And if the half-cock notch doesn't catch the hammer something potentially very dangerous is wrong with you pistol and it should be sent in for repairs immediately. Carry should be out of the question!

--wally.
 
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