Old krow
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To the OP.... good luck
There are a lot of very valid points in this thread. I have a tendency to agree with the lot that says "cut your losses." However, there is this side of me that likes to hear the argument whether I like it or not. It's a "know your enemy" thing I guess.
Here's some interesting statistics that I found, I believe it was nationmaster
Total Crime per capita: #2 New Zealand, #8 US
Keep up the good work and let me know how it works out I'd like to know when they perfect it, but, for the moment they're nearly dead last.
NZ is 105 per 1000
UK is 85 per 1000
US is 80 per 1000
See above statistic. We have guns, we have less crime per capita, they have no guns, they have more. I agree with the poster that said it's the criminal that determines the crime rate.
In murder per capita, the US is #24
The number of murder was 16,204.
Of those committed with firearms was 9369.
I come up with around 1500 self-defense shootings and almost 10k murders. He needs better numbers, I need better numbers, or he needs to come to terms with "far more" can never mean less than 20% of.
Of the total crimes committed (I rounded to 12,000,000) in the US the total death by all firearms was .00227 or .227% (CDC). Suicides made 56.5% of all firearms death (DOJ) I extrapolated the number of self-defense shootings by finding the remainder of the death by firearms. I come up with around 1500. Factor in a margin for error and it's still ridiculously small. His statement is false, that is not the case at all.
Remind him that NZ is second in total crimes in the world
In the US there were 95,136 rapes. What about them? Still no rights to self-defense? The perpetrators have the same rights?
NZ is #12 of the world on that list. Thailand has fewer rapes per capita than NZ.
Self-defense shootings in the US are less than 2% of that one crime statistic.
What is the percentage of repeat offenders? Compare the total number of self-defense gun deaths to the total number of only violent crimes. I don't know those numbers off of the top of my head, but I remember it being over 50% (higher if I remember correctly). It wasn't a robbery and they weren't stealing food.
The comments about duties and permissions, and nobody having human rights... I dunno. He has no kids? I think that'd be a fair assumption.
There are a lot of very valid points in this thread. I have a tendency to agree with the lot that says "cut your losses." However, there is this side of me that likes to hear the argument whether I like it or not. It's a "know your enemy" thing I guess.
Here's some interesting statistics that I found, I believe it was nationmaster
We should be focusing on fixing them not killing them.
Total Crime per capita: #2 New Zealand, #8 US
Keep up the good work and let me know how it works out I'd like to know when they perfect it, but, for the moment they're nearly dead last.
NZ is 105 per 1000
UK is 85 per 1000
US is 80 per 1000
It is not the gun ownership laws that determine crime rates it is society's general attitude to crime and in NZ at least wider gun ownership would never help to reduce crime or make people safer.
See above statistic. We have guns, we have less crime per capita, they have no guns, they have more. I agree with the poster that said it's the criminal that determines the crime rate.
The fact is in the USA you have far more people shooting people in 'self-defense' to prevent things like robberies rather than murder attempts
In murder per capita, the US is #24
The number of murder was 16,204.
Of those committed with firearms was 9369.
I come up with around 1500 self-defense shootings and almost 10k murders. He needs better numbers, I need better numbers, or he needs to come to terms with "far more" can never mean less than 20% of.
Of the total crimes committed (I rounded to 12,000,000) in the US the total death by all firearms was .00227 or .227% (CDC). Suicides made 56.5% of all firearms death (DOJ) I extrapolated the number of self-defense shootings by finding the remainder of the death by firearms. I come up with around 1500. Factor in a margin for error and it's still ridiculously small. His statement is false, that is not the case at all.
ridiculously rare in any society
Remind him that NZ is second in total crimes in the world
therefore carrying weapons of any kind is completely unjustified.
In the US there were 95,136 rapes. What about them? Still no rights to self-defense? The perpetrators have the same rights?
NZ is #12 of the world on that list. Thailand has fewer rapes per capita than NZ.
Self-defense shootings in the US are less than 2% of that one crime statistic.
What is the percentage of repeat offenders? Compare the total number of self-defense gun deaths to the total number of only violent crimes. I don't know those numbers off of the top of my head, but I remember it being over 50% (higher if I remember correctly). It wasn't a robbery and they weren't stealing food.
The comments about duties and permissions, and nobody having human rights... I dunno. He has no kids? I think that'd be a fair assumption.